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2015 post UK election discussion

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chrissyjack said:
Listen , mate. I'm single through divorce . I have provided for my kids , including the youngest who stayed with his mother . My eldest are 24 and 20. I do NOT receive a penny in benefits . So don't you dare tar all single parents with the same Katie Hopkins-like brush .
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Look Chrissy, you know that you are a burden upon us, I mean ffs you even jinxed us with the match on Saturday.....however I quite like you so we won't be sending around the single parent hit squad to beat you up......but don't do it again, right..........
 

daylightrobber said:
By scrapping the Human Rights Act the Tories are going to make it harder for UK citizens to access fundamental rights that they will still be protected by under the European Convention on Human Rights. For any one who is Eurosceptic, this isn't one in the eye for Europe. This is one in the eye for ordinary folks like you and me.

You should be asking yourselves why would your government want to make it harder protect your fundamental.......

Right to life
Freedom from torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
Right to liberty and security
Freedom from slavery and forced labour
Right to a fair trial
No punishment without law
Respect for your private and family life, home and correspondence
Freedom of thought, belief and religion
Freedom of expression
Freedom of assembly and association
Right to marry and start a family
Protection from discrimination in respect of these rights and freedoms
Right to peaceful enjoyment of your property
Right to education
Right to participate in free elections

These rights were drawn up after WWII. It's safe to say that millions of people died for us to have them. The move is an absolute disgrace.
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Introduced by Winston Churchill,T now being tampered with his own party?.? I never heard that in the election fear campaign from the Tories?
 
peteblue said:
Look Chrissy, you know that you are a burden upon us, I mean ffs you even jinxed us with the match on Saturday.....however I quite like you so we won't be sending around the single parent hit squad to beat you up......but don't do it again, right..........
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We all new Danny Graham would break his 10 yr goal drought . Don't blame me . Us single parents get enough hassle ffs :mad:

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daylightrobber said:
This. This. And This. Fed up of hearing it when it's blatantly obvious that we're not. This is what I was trying to get out of @peteblue earlier when I was asking if the Tories genuinely believe it. I have a feeling that some actually do. There are people on these boards who've even questioned the legitimacy of stats produced on poverty and wealth inequality, suggesting that it's all left wing propaganda.
I guess some people are just detached from the real world.
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Not me I hope......
 

bring the ghost on said:
Man and wife living in Liverpool decide they want a child, what is the absolute minimum joint annual wage you think they should be on?

And, if the man ups and leaves once the child is born, what should the woman do to improve her financial situation?
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That's up tp them - I just don't want the tax payer to be the main one financing it.

First of all - the woman should receive enough money from the man so that her standard of living doesn't go down at least for a while however the option to fight for custory should be open to the man and the courts should view it without sexual bias and if both parents are fit then joint custody should be arranged obviously requiring the man to pay less and even have the woman pay him.

Which is not much different from today however the courts are biased against men so personally I think everyone should be forced to enter into a pre-maritial agreement with lawyers provided by the state if necessary so these problems can be argued and decided before marriage and then that should be binding. That's a libertarian's view.

That way we can do away with the whole concept of the traditional view of marriage which would negate the issue of gay marriage etc too.

We could even link this to a children's license. If you need a license for a dog then I think you should have one for a child.
 
peteblue said:
No mate, we already had these rights and continue to have them today....,they were drawn up for the despot countries who committed genocide and the like upon their own people. To insinuate that we would not have them otherwise is to insult everything that our country stood for and fought for.............
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Okay I maybe didn't explain myself too well. The HRA, was brought in to make sure our law was fully compatible with the European Courts. It meant that cases could be heard in domestic courts as opposed to having to go to Strasbourg. The rights will still be there but if we feel that our rights are being breached by and public body we will be back to having to fight for them via Europe, not the UK.
It's plain to see that the Act is incompatible with the soon to be introduced Snoopers Charter for example.
 
Adversus said:
That's up tp them - I just don't want the tax payer to be the main one financing it.

First of all - the woman should receive enough money from the man so that her standard of living doesn't go down at least for a while however the option to fight for custory should be open to the man and the courts should view it without sexual bias and if both parents are fit then joint custody should be arranged obviously requiring the man to pay less and even have the woman pay him.

Which is not much different from today however the courts are biased against men so personally I think everyone should be forced to enter into a pre-maritial agreement with lawyers provided by the state if necessary so these problems can be argued and decided before marriage and then that should be binding. That's a libertarian's view.

That way we can do away with the whole concept of the traditional view of marriage which would negate the issue of gay marriage etc too.

We could even link this to a children's license. If you need a license for a dog then I think you should have one for a child.
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A childrens licence ? If there's a practical test ....Sign me up
 
peteblue said:
Not me I hope......
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I don't think you do, but you did suggest earlier that the Tory party were honest in their beliefs. So, do they really think that we are all in it together? I don't mean politicians and the rest of us. I mean do they really believe that the sacrifices we are making are evenly distributed across society.
 
tim cahill said:
So many jobs don't offer wages that allow people to save though. So if people can't get the work they need to be able to save like you can then they shouldn't have kids?
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Good try pal, but I'm not here to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do. All I can say is what I would do.

Because I don't want to be in a position where I am reliant on state support to raise my children, I would not choose to have children before I had saved the amount of cash I felt was sufficient to provide the cushion necessary to compensate for the temporary drop in income that would result from Mrs. Tree taking time off for maternity. Mrs. Tree feels the same way, so we have spent five years saving up, building our careers, buying our house and have got married in the meantime.

Other people may choose to do it differently, but that doesn't mean that their approach would be any more palatable for me than mine would be for them.
 

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