Blue 1
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Whoever claimed to be tolerant? Not I.
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2015 post UK election discussion
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Whoever claimed to be tolerant? Not I.
Only heard his name in the last couple of days and therefore what little I know about him is from his wiki page. He does look like he has the potential to be a very different challenge for the Tories to deal with - absolutely worlds apart from the likes of the champagne socialists represented by Miliband, Harman, Balls, Cooper et al. It will be interesting to see how his career develops.
Milk
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Labour needs to decide what it stands for.
I heard Blair call for Labour to "retake the centre ground" ........ Hmmm.
Personally, if I were a member of the Labour Party, I would be looking very carefully to see what women candidates there are. If this election has taught us anything, it is that the public seem to like the idea of a woman leader.
daylightrobber
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I heard some idiot claiming this previously because they say no to all immigrants as opposed to just those from outside the EU. What's your line?
Milk
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There is a big difference though between immigration (which I feel relates to low 000s of a particular peoples) and migration (>5000?).
The question is: Can we sustain current levels of immigration?
SNova
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Well, currently we discriminate against non EU citizens. So for example an unskilled EU citizen currently has more of a right to come to our country than many skilled non EU citizens. Having a controlled immigration would be purely skill based.
"Say not to all immigrants" Is that seriously what you think controlled immigration means?
Milk
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Lord Sugar has resigned as a Labour member:
The businessman, who joined Labour in 1997, said he had "lost confidence" in the party because of its "negative business policies and the general anti-enterprise concepts they were considering if they were to be elected".
Lord Sugar, who was the party's enterprise adviser under Gordon Brown, said he had made the decision at the start of the year but had not disclosed it until after the election to avoid being seen to "stick the boot in" during the campaign.
The businessman, who joined Labour in 1997, said he had "lost confidence" in the party because of its "negative business policies and the general anti-enterprise concepts they were considering if they were to be elected".
Lord Sugar, who was the party's enterprise adviser under Gordon Brown, said he had made the decision at the start of the year but had not disclosed it until after the election to avoid being seen to "stick the boot in" during the campaign.
Farage had his resignation rejected.
roydo
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Ah. Not sure how that works!
SNova
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marty mcfly
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I thought that was older parents needed ivf which increases the liklihood.
daylightrobber
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26447244
"British jobs for British workers" would be one of the most popular slogans any politician could deploy.
If, that is, Gordon Brown hadn't already used it, been accused of using BNP rhetoric and attacked for promising something he simply couldn't deliver.
Politicians like Theresa May are more careful in the language they use and have found other ways to show they empathise with public concern about "immigrants taking our jobs".
The home secretary has highlighted research which showed that that public anxiety might be true. When the government's official migration advisers came up with a startling finding in 2012, she seized on it.
"We asked the Migration Advisory Committee to look at the effects of immigration on jobs, and their conclusions were stark," she said.
"They found a clear association between non-European immigration and employment in the UK.
"Between 1995 and 2010, the committee found an associated displacement of 160,000 British workers. For every additional 100 immigrants, they estimated that 23 British workers would not be employed."
'Comprehensive review'
At the time, economists such as Jonathan Portes of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research warned that this figure was out of line with other research; was just one of many statistics in a complex study; could be dramatically altered by moving the date range measured by a single year and should, therefore, be treated with caution.
It was a view shared by many economists within government.
They have now carried out what's been described to me as a "comprehensive literature review" - in other words a study of all the studies into the so-called "displacement effect" of immigration.
It concluded, surprise surprise, that the 23 figure quoted by Theresa May was, indeed, an outlier and, I am told, suggests the true figure is "virtually nil".
Newsnight's Christopher Cook revealed last night that this study of studies has not been published despite being ready to go.
Those who like its finding say it's being suppressed. Those who don't, say the study is not quite finished.
No doubt, the argument going on in Whitehall is about what conclusions should be written at the end of some pretty dry economic tables and statistics and the timing of its release.
What this tells you is two important things:
1. Measuring the economic effects of immigration is difficult but most economists continue to insist that overall immigration increases the size of the British economy and the number of jobs available for British citizens
2. The rival camps in government - the anti-immigration Tory-led Home Office and the pro-immigration Lib Dem-led Business department - will seize on any stat and brief against each other in an effort to prove their case.
The Esk
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No mate, UKIP have rejected Farage's resignation and he remains UKIP leader
larrygobfiend
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Each to their own and all that.
But are you telling me you'd be happy to sacrifice decent holidays, cars and other luxuries in life just to prove a point?
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