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2015 post UK election discussion

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Dan Jarvis has ruled himself out, was he a good option @chewee ?

The ex-soldier vibe might have played well with those fools who couldn't name a single policy before voting, the sort of fools who unfortunately you need to win
 

Think Farage thought he was nailed on to win the seat he was going for, so got cocky saying if he didn't win he would resign. When he lost he resigned, but back tracked and said he was going to take some of the summer off, and then throw his name into the hat for the leadership of the party again.

At the end of the day, no matter what party they come from, all politicians are as dodgy as f uck, and full of bullshit.
 

Actually what they reported he said was :
  • Introduce a moratorium on permanent immigration for five years
  • allow skilled workers to come to work in the UK on temporary work permits
  • take steps to find and remove the estimated 1-2m illegal immigrants living in the UK

But that's not as catchy as the total ban headline.

Skilled workers can come in under visas during that time. In otherwords immigration that covers the needs of business.

What he's saying is that he wants to control the rise in population because public services and housing are already under a lot of pressure and over capacity and this would give them a chance to catch up. He also excluded asylum seekers from this.

I don't see what's wrong with that? Could anyone explain to me without using terms like race, racism or xenophobia? I would love to honestly know.

We don't owe it to anyone to allow them to come and live here. You can't move to America or Australia or China or pretty much anywhere and do that.
 
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By the way Steven Woolfe, the UKIP immigration spokesman gets a lot of racial abuse by those who ironically campaign against racism.

 
Think Farage thought he was nailed on to win the seat he was going for, so got cocky saying if he didn't win he would resign. When he lost he resigned, but back tracked and said he was going to take some of the summer off, and then throw his name into the hat for the leadership of the party again.

At the end of the day, no matter what party they come from, all politicians are as dodgy as f uck, and full of bullshit.
Only the successful ones.
 
Each to their own and all that.

But are you telling me you'd be happy to sacrifice decent holiday, cars and other luxuries in life just to prove a point?
We run one car between us - cheaper than the two we used to own and run. We ski almost every year. "Luxuries" means different things to different people though so sacrificing things you are happy to do without isn't really a sacrifice, is it? There's a thread elsewhere on the forum with people discussing their favourite aftershaves, and some people are talking about stuff that comes in at £100+ a bottle - I wouldn't spend money on that, for instance. Some people smoke, and I don't. There are too many examples to list. And what we are doing is investing in our child's future - if that's a sacrifice, then it's a bloody good one in my book.

We live within our means, run a car, go skiing most years, buy a house and save up towards private education. It's not "proving a point", it's making a choice and budgeting accordingly. The only advantage we have that others might not have is that Mrs Tree gets a discount on the school fees due to her working at the school. Even so, pre-prep fees are lower than prep or senior fees and within reach for any couple on £50k a year gross IF they wait a few years before having the first child.

The sacrifice we are making, if any, is that we have chosen to wait a couple of years before having our first child. As I said before, she only left uni five years ago and is 26 years old, so even this waiting does not feel like a sacrifice. If she had started having children the moment she graduated then she would have been satistically less likely to have even gone into employment.
 
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So do you think that someone in the situation would be wiser to:

a) perhaps delay having children
b) maybe limit themselves to just the one
c) have them anyway, because they will work harder after the kids start arriving and will get paid more as a result - as per @the esk 's suggestion
d) "just wing it" - (can't recall which poster suggested that, will scroll back through the thread)
e) some other suggestion

I believe that each person's decision has an impact on society, and every right that anyone chooses to exercise (or not) should be considered in the light of that impact.
I think that people who want to work should be able to find a job that can provide for a family without the need for handouts. I also think that child care should be subsidised so that working couples don't get punished for going back to work.
 

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