2024/25 Relegation Battle (Without Everton!)


I have no idea what you’re going on about. What is the tangible thing that’s at stake? Moving up to 15th in the Premier League table? And you’re suggesting this is up there with the high stakes scenarios that he’s managed in the past?
I am suggesting that there is pressure and expectation on this game in ways that there hasn't been in his first three games. This is the chance to effectively ensure Leicester cannot catch us and get us all but safe. Given where we started from, and given the paucity of talent and time that he is working with, this will be a very impressive achievement for Moyes in the space of three weeks - and I'm no fan of his. Fair's fair. Win this and we are effectively safe.

These are the stakes. How high you think they are is up to you. I'll be thrilled with him if he wins it.
 
I am suggesting that there is pressure and expectation on this game in ways that there hasn't been in his first three games. This is the chance to effectively ensure Leicester cannot catch us and get us all but safe. Given where we started from, and given the paucity of talent and time that he is working with, this will be a very impressive achievement for Moyes in the space of three weeks - and I'm no fan of his. Fair's fair. Win this and we are effectively safe.

These are the stakes. How high you think they are is up to you. I'll be thrilled with him if he wins it.

But you won’t, you’ll move the goalposts again.

You seem to be trying to argue that every time there’s expectation on Moyes to win a football match he bottles it. Well clearly looking at his record when he was here the first time that’s not the case, as far more often than not we won these types of games. We also won games of far higher pressure and significance on many occasions. I don’t understand your angle, it’s strange.
 

But you won’t, you’ll move the goalposts again.

You seem to be trying to argue that every time there’s expectation on Moyes to win a football match he bottles it. Well clearly looking at his record when he was here the first time that’s not the case, as far more often than not we won these types of games. I don’t understand your angle, it’s strange.
My Moyes goalposts are set in 11 years worth of concrete: A good manager, but one who manages expectations. Always has.

He imposes his own glass ceiling and his teams perform poorly when the pressure and expectation is on. That's why his highly-rated sides, which often finished the second half of a season in CL form, often started the following season - when hopes were high - poorly.

Next week, he has a huge chance to get us safe. He can also take a first significant step to changing the opinions some of us have of him from his first 11 years in the job.

I'll be delighted to chip away at those concrete foundations then.
 

My Moyes goalposts are set in 11 years worth of concrete: A good manager, but one who manages expectations. Always has.

He imposes his own glass ceiling and his teams perform poorly when the pressure and expectation is on. That's why his highly-rated sides, which often finished the second half of a season in CL form, often started the following season - when hopes were high - poorly.

Next week, he has a huge chance to get us safe. He can also take a first significant step to changing the opinions some of us have of him from his first 11 years in the job.

I'll be delighted to chip away at those concrete foundations then.

His glass ceiling is 7th, it’s not the same as Dyche’s glass ceiling of 16th. We aren’t in a battle for a European place or a cup final so you can relax and forget about that, Moyes isn’t going to bottle it. The way you talk it sounds like either you expect us to teleport up to 6th in the table by magic overnight, or you think that Moyes has languished in the bottom half his entire career and been unable to get himself out of relegation scraps (like our former manager)
 
I’ve just been back through last season’s relegation thread and had a proper laugh. 26th April after we’d just won the derby, we needed 2 points to be mathematically sure of relegation, and there were people flapping that we were gonna get complacent and Luton were gonna come up on the outside lane and fly past us :lol: :lol: :lol:

These threads are magic every season. I genuinely feared for us with Dyche as manager a few weeks ago, but people need to get in the real world right now.
The night luton were 3 up and lost to Bournemouth was one of the greatest nights in the history of the forum
Bipolar at its best
 

So to expect us to walk over Leicester next week because we beat Blackpool 5-3 (we nearly threw that one away of course) 14 years ago doesn’t make any sense?

If we lose next week it’ll be either be because we’re just not a very good team or because the mentality is wrong whilst Leicester get theirs right

Either way I’m not going to pin too much blame on Moyes

He’s inherited a bunch of sad sacks who have been toss all season, and there’s only so much he can do with four games

There’s more of a responsibility on us as a fan base in all honesty

If we all walk into that stadium expecting to win and the atmosphere is flat, or we start getting on the player’s backs, then our chances of losing increase considerably

Right now we need to steel ourselves, acknowledge the situation we’re in, roll up our sleeves, and attack the situation the right way

That means realising we’re in a relegation fight, supporting the players and bringing back bear pit Goodison

Anything less is opening the door to disaster
 
While Leicester result wasn’t an ideal one from our perspective, we do still remain 7 points above the drop, a much, much better position than we were in a week ago. The other thing as well, while I would’ve preferred a Spurs win, it at least means we’re no longer cut adrift of teams directly above us anymore and we can keep one eye on teams above us now, while still obviously looking over our shoulder while we’re not out of it. It definitely keeps Van Nistelrooy as manager for our game as well. I would be perhaps a bit more nervous about our game and a ‘new manager bounce’ had they pulled the trigger, should they have lost.

The Leicester game next week is still a big one for us, out of the February fixtures. Win that and we’re 9 clear of them, possibly the same amount above the drop zone and derby aside, we’ve got a month of fixtures where I’d be fairly confident of us being able to get something out of them. That would put us within touching distance of safety, as far as I’m concerned. If we do lose it, different story, we definitely won’t be out of it, but still in our hands and plenty of opportunities to pull ourselves away between now and the start of April.

I can’t say I’m completely relaxed about our position, in truth and probably won’t be until we get to 30 odd points or keep ourselves in amongst the batch of Spurs, Man United, West Ham and Palace. Those teams won’t go down and if we’re in that group, then neither should we.
 

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