2024/25 Relegation Thread

[MACCA75]

Potter inherited better than Dyche. Arriving with a full pre season after they finished 40 points under Houghton in the Prem.

Do we have money to give Potter and 3 years to take us to what Dyche did last season?

Ultimately Potters Brighton record is worse than Dyche at Burnley and Everton.

Shall we also talk about Potter at Chelsea?

As for Bournemouth they also spent a few quid - lashing £100m+ in one window last summer and didn't win any more points than us last season.

You talk about expectations at Brighton - just because we're Everton, it doesn't mean we have a better team.

Potter is a good manager. He transformed the style and his signings paid for themselves 5 times over.

People were saying Eddie Howe was rubbish because he got relegated with Bournemouth. Sometimes you just have to look a bit deeper.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

We had 27 shots yesterday.. that's a lot from a team who's manager who just wants clean sheets and 0-0s.. our forwards are incompetent simple as that.. our defence is very good infact since the start of October we've conceded least in the league let in 4 goals in 8 games..
Hopefully we'll get a few forwards back from Injury soon.

Bingo.

 

[knowing your history]

Moyes had Bowen, Kudus and a much better team and achieved 4 more points than us last season. I don't think he's the answer.

It's nice to say you want a manager that plays "that style of football" - but you also need the players to do so. It's why the likes of Bielsa laughed us off.

Well Ndiaye should thrive in a more possession based and front foot style. I agree with the comments Mirallas said about this a few days ago. Lindstrom maybe but he just looks too lightweight for prem football so far. Plus any new manager would expect 2-3 new signings and a couple would be in the forward areas.

A good manager can quickly transform underachieving players, Carlo did it very quickly but that was a much better squad than this one and Emery did it at Villa pretty quickly aswell. Howe at Newcastle tweaked Joelinthon's position and that pretty much transformed them overnight.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Potter is a good manager. He transformed the style and his signings paid for themselves 5 times over.

People were saying Eddie Howe was rubbish because he got relegated with Bournemouth. Sometimes you just have to look a bit deeper.

He didn't.

Brightons signings did.

He's a symptom of Brighton. Not a cause.

Time should have proven this.

I mean, he did very well to do as bad as he did at Chelsea.

He's been out of a job for 2 years.

 

[MACCA75]

He didn't.

Brightons signings did.

He's a symptom of Brighton. Not a cause.

Time should have proven this.

I mean, he did very well to do as bad as he did at Chelsea.

He's been out of a job for 2 years.

Of course he did, he’s consistently played that style, which is not easy at lower level clubs. It’s a process.

Chelsea were a basket case of crazy signings and egos. Lampard was catastrophic afterwards and it took Poch 6 months to finally start to get a tune out of them. It was the wrong job for him, which is why he’s not dived straight back in.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Well Ndiaye should thrive in a more possession based and front foot style. I agree with the comments Mirallas said about this a few days ago. Lindstrom maybe but he just looks too lightweight for prem football so far. Plus any new manager would expect 2-3 new signings and a couple would be in the forward areas.

A good manager can quickly transform underachieving players, Carlo did it very quickly but that was a much better squad than this one and Emery did it at Villa pretty quickly aswell. Howe at Newcastle tweaked Joelinthon's position and that pretty much transformed them overnight.

NDiaye has never performed at the highest level. He bombed at Marseille. So let's see - early signs look promising but he has no runners at all around him. This team can't play on the front foot - it hasn't the pace. We tried under Lampard. Failed miserably. When we've tried under Dyche - like Chelsea away, failed miserably.

Ancelotti had the much better squad you refer to finish 10th.

Ultimately it's not a computer game and you also need players with a bit of pace and capable of scoring goals. We have neither and until we address that, we'll remain in a relegation fight. As we were for managers before Dyche.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Of course he did, he’s consistently played that style, which is not easy at lower level clubs. It’s a process.

Chelsea were a basket case of crazy signings and egos. Lampard was catastrophic afterwards and it took Poch 6 months to finally start to get a tune out of them. It was the wrong job for him, which is why he’s not dived straight back in.

He didn't make them signings. He was a coach.

Just like Dyche didn't sign Chermiti.

He's not dived straight back in mate as Chelsea are still paying him a fortune until his next job.

Teams who'd kneejerk for him will also recognise his style of football without the players/spend would be a nightmare.

I think he'd be a disaster here, right now.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Oh and Brighton wouldn't take Potter back. Their club, or their fans. If that's not telling - then him having a worse record than Dyche at Burnley and Everton, despite spending a lot of cash should.

 

[derek duvall]

We had 27 shots yesterday.. that's a lot from a team who's manager who just wants clean sheets and 0-0s.. our forwards are incompetent simple as that.. our defence is very good infact since the start of October we've conceded least in the league let in 4 goals in 8 games..
Hopefully we'll get a few forwards back from Injury soon.

No. Our truly crap manager shares the blame. Seems truly inept at being to get a tune out of any of his forwards and the moron throws them under the bus each week, which has drained their confidence. Disgusting man management skills

 

[Librarian]

Give it Seamus

 

[Victus]

If Potter is so good why's he still out of work lads?

 

[derek duvall]

He didn't make them signings. He was a coach.

Just like Dyche didn't sign Chermiti.

He's not dived straight back in mate as Chelsea are still paying him a fortune until his next job.

Teams who'd kneejerk for him will also recognise his style of football without the players/spend would be a nightmare.

I think he'd be a disaster here, right now.

Not a huge fan of potter and agree I don’t think he’d fit it well here. Having said that, I’ll take anyone over Stevie Wonder in charge right now.

 

[MACCA75]

He didn't make them signings. He was a coach.

Just like Dyche didn't sign Chermiti.

He's not dived straight back in mate as Chelsea are still paying him a fortune until his next job.

Teams who'd kneejerk for him will also recognise his style of football without the players/spend would be a nightmare.

I think he'd be a disaster here, right now.

He’s not for me right now, mid season as it’s just too big a leap from Dyche.
In the summer though, we need a manager that plays the game as it is today.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

NDiaye has never performed at the highest level. He bombed at Marseille. So let's see - early signs look promising but he has no runners at all around him. This team can't play on the front foot - it hasn't the pace. We tried under Lampard. Failed miserably. When we've tried under Dyche - like Chelsea away, failed miserably.

Ancelotti had the much better squad you refer to finish 10th.

Ultimately it's not a computer game and you also need players with a bit of pace and capable of scoring goals. We have neither and until we address that, we'll remain in a relegation fight. As we were for managers before Dyche.

We need a manager who can strike the right balance between defence and attack at this moment in time.

That's Moyes.

This team just needs tweaking tactically and I think it would start to bare fruit.

I also think the players know he's on borrowed time so it's better to act now know instead of letting it drift.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

He’s not for me right now, mid season as it’s just too big a leap from Dyche.
In the summer though, we need a manager that plays the game as it is today.

We need the ability to buy the players that'll allow it too.

When that happens, we also need a manager that'll help attract those players.

It's why I keep saying replacing Dyche alone doesn't take us away from the bottom. Some interpret that as support for Dyche, but in reality it's the same as I've been saying for long before him. Our attack dictates problematic blood pressure.