#27 Years/NSNOW/#AllTogetherNow Fan Campaign

[ToffeeTim]

I'll say it again: simplify the message.

This group can make their message wide ranging but also ineffective by taking aim at too many targets.

The target that looms large is lack of transfer activity and the sale of players. That message hammered hard right now wins a lot of support to the 27 lot's side.

But if you start agitating around the owner and the board and demanding their dismissal it all looks a bit like a front page of the Socialist Worker, demanding a general strike every couple of weeks or so. It's well wide of the mark as a demand when most Everton fans are happy to be ensconced still in the PL with a clean slate for the new season AND the vast majority are still mesmersised by what's happening at the docks and are prepared to give the owner and the board a free pass on that basis.

To win a war you have to win key battles along the way, you dont just declare you want the enemy to surrender, that's not realistic.

It's all very naive this messaging. I've thought so from the start.

Nope

The board need to go. To ask for anything else is rearranging the deck chairs.

 

[Neiler]

Most fans were desparate for investment or a new owner. Moshiri came along and bought us and most fans were happy, especially when he started splashing the cash. You have that part correct.

However, given that the spending has been poor, there has not been a great amount of backroom continuity and some very questionable appointments (and lack of), a lot of fans have changed their minds and believe Moshiri is not what he was promised to be.

You seem to be criticising people for changing their minds based on the evidence they see, which I think is wrong.

Criticism is your word really im just providing a commentary of events to inform self awareness as with everything in life reflection can lead to learning to safegfuard against events. There was evidence throughout out spending and mismanagement that the business couldn't support the purchasing and costs, but everyone was giddy, colluded with and egged it on in addition as a fan group we chased out numerous managers that only added to that, I'm not saying it could be any other way, i understand it, I'm saying we colluded with it in the main and were more then happy with it for a very long time and frankly didn't care, didnt want to see, etc. We have a role and responsibility as well that i think its important we learn from. Now we've gone full circle, we will protest tomorrow rightly or wrongly, but we were also happy to go along with what has happening and spending for a long time up to fairly recently, in truth as a fan group we've gone a full 360, but we need to own our part in it and learn from it for the future.

 

[zebedee]

Criticism is your word really im just providing a commentary of events to inform self awareness as with everything in life reflection can lead to learning to safegfuard against events. There was evidence throughout out spending and mismanagement that the business couldn't support the purchasing and costs, but everyone was giddy, colluded with and egged it on in addition as a fan group we chased out numerous managers that only added to that, I'm not saying it could be any other way, i understand it, I'm saying we colluded with it in the main and were more then happy with it for a very long time and frankly didn't care, didnt want to see, etc. We have a role and responsibility as well that i think its important we learn from. Now we've gone full circle, we will protest tomorrow rightly or wrongly, but we were also happy to go along with what has happening and spending for a long time up to fairly recently, in truth as a fan group we've gone a full 360, but we need to own our part in it and learn from it for the future.

Well said.. we've all played our cards in all this mess.

Fair play to the lads going etc.. not my thing to be honest.

 

[AndyC]

Umming and ahhing about going tomorrow to be honest

Not against the idea, I just don't think I can make the timing work

I definitely agree that Moshiri needs to shape up or ship out though

If you can’t get there Mikey, continue to support the campaign here and on any social media platforms you may subscribe to ???

 

[JohnJq]

 

[Dixieslaces]

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This, if all factually correct is a damning indictment of epic proportions, how this club hasnt been snuffed out yet is a miracle!

Every single one of them needs to be booted out the door with no second thought given!

A truly shocking and perhaps terminal decline.

What an absolute travesty and crock of [Poor language removed] we have become.

Shameful.

How very sad

 

[Goat]

I'll say it again: simplify the message.

This group can make their message wide ranging but also ineffective by taking aim at too many targets.

The target that looms large is lack of transfer activity and the sale of players. That message hammered hard right now wins a lot of support to the 27 lot's side.

But if you start agitating around the owner and the board and demanding their dismissal it all looks a bit like a front page of the Socialist Worker, demanding a general strike every couple of weeks or so. It's well wide of the mark as a demand when most Everton fans are happy to be ensconced still in the PL with a clean slate for the new season AND the vast majority are still mesmersised by what's happening at the docks and are prepared to give the owner and the board a free pass on that basis.

To win a war you have to win key battles along the way, you dont just declare you want the enemy to surrender, that's not realistic.

It's all very naive this messaging. I've thought so from the start.

Imagine thinking people are unhappy simply due to us not signing players.

Sure, some people are and some, nay, probably most would be appeased if we made signings.

But its not about that, its way beyond that.

We need fundermental change.

Signing players is easy, not appointing useless kopites as a manager is easy and keeping in place the current Board is suicide.

 

[Paul E]

It's always going to create a split this but some of the responses on Twitter to the most recent post by the 27 campaign really do shock me.

"New stadium, new DOF and Sharpy on the board - that means they're listening surely"

"Moshiri said judge him at the of the window - you don't become a billionaire by being an idiot"

"Bad timing, it feels like an agenda against Bill and DBB"

"This will affect player recruitment"

"Demoralising the team and creating a toxic working environment"

"Did we not learn from last season when getting behind the team made them play better"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but how bad does it need to get before people demand change? Most of us work for businesses that, if governed as badly as Everton, would take appropriate actions. That would usually mean a change in leadership, hierarchy, or direction. Some of the actual facts to support the 27 campaign are just as shocking as some of the fans complicity in our demise. The salaries, the turnover of staff, the lack of experience and appropriate skill sets and, ultimately, the fact Bill Kenwright still has anything to do with our football club.

How much decline will it take? How far behind do we really need to get before some fans realise, we are one of the worst managed football clubs in the world? How do some people not realise that supporting the team but disliking the running of the club can be treated separately?

Some may not agree with the 27 campaign but they are a group of fans who love the club who want us to be better. How can some of the fan base possibly find so many inaccurate ways of depicting the message? How can so many fans be happy with the current governance of our club that plays such a big role in each of our lives? Not only do some fans not support it, they become aggressive about the fact it even exists. Like defending everything about the club is a priority over being impartial about the different facets that make the club.

NSNO

 

[davek]

Imagine thinking people are unhappy simply due to us not signing players.

Sure, some people are and some, nay, probably most would be appeased if we made signings.

But its not about that, its way beyond that.

We need fundermental change.

Signing players is easy, not appointing useless kopites as a manager is easy and keeping in place the current Board is suicide.

Listen to Che Guevara here.

 

[davids]

Who are the 27? Is it 27 blokes from different online forums. Can they be vaulted.?

 

[davek]

Nope

The board need to go. To ask for anything else is rearranging the deck chairs.

See how well that goes down with people entranced by the new stadium. There's more people drooling over drone footage of that than arsed about getting Moshiri out presently. That is a fact.

The only traction that can be gained on the governance issue right now is the absence of players coming in.

 

[degsy]

The clue is in the wording mate.
27....Moshiri ( although a major problem in itself ) has only been here for 6 yrs.
This is about The Best Evertonian thats ever lived.
The man that sold everything that wasnt nailed down to keep his name above the door.
Obviously you cant oust the owner , but you can force enough pressure on him to rid this club of Kenwright and the lemings on the payroll that have seen 27 years of total mismanagement.
And it has to happen now , as next time we face a relegation battle we might not be able to get out of it.

We were 'Leeds in slow motion' under Kenwright...Oh he would've probably got there eventually.
But under the last 6 yrs of accelerated decline under Moshiri another season like lasst and we could quite easily turn into 'Sunderland till I die'.

We're on a knife edge of disaster and nobody can say with any certainty which away we will fall, nor if we won't be playing Iranian Roulette in future seasons.

 

[ToffeeTim]

It's always going to create a split this but some of the responses on Twitter to the most recent post by the 27 campaign really do shock me.

"New stadium, new DOF and Sharpy on the board - that means they're listening surely"

"Moshiri said judge him at the of the window - you don't become a billionaire by being an idiot"

"Bad timing, it feels like an agenda against Bill and DBB"

"This will affect player recruitment"

"Demoralising the team and creating a toxic working environment"

"Did we not learn from last season when getting behind the team made them play better"

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but how bad does it need to get before people demand change? Most of us work for businesses that, if governed as badly as Everton, would take appropriate actions. That would usually mean a change in leadership, hierarchy, or direction. Some of the actual facts to support the 27 campaign are just as shocking as some of the fans complicity in our demise. The salaries, the turnover of staff, the lack of experience and appropriate skill sets and, ultimately, the fact Bill Kenwright still has anything to do with our football club.

How much decline will it take? How far behind do we really need to get before some fans realise, we are one of the worst managed football clubs in the world? How do some people not realise that supporting the team but disliking the running of the club can be treated separately?

Some may not agree with the 27 campaign but they are a group of fans who love the club who want us to be better. How can some of the fan base possibly find so many inaccurate ways of depicting the message? How can so many fans be happy with the current governance of our club that plays such a big role in each of our lives? Not only do some fans not support it, they become aggressive about the fact it even exists. Like defending everything about the club is a priority over being impartial about the different facets that make the club.

NSNO

I find it annoying when people say it's just that it's bad timing. I would have a lot more respect if they just admitted that there is no time they would support protests. For lots of people there will never be a right time, and that's fine and they can have that opinion.

 

[davek]

I'd like to know if the 27 minute group are pushing for a particular takeover consortium?

The only way this protest to unseat Moshiri makes sense at this moment is if they believe a consortium are wanting to take control right now and want pressure put on him.

I'd like to think they're not acting as a cat's paw for Kenyon, that's for sure.

 

[Paul E]

I'd like to know if the 27 minute group are pushing for a particular takeover consortium?

The only way this protest to unseat Moshiri makes sense at this moment is if they believe a consortium are wanting to take control right now and want pressure put on him.

I'd like to think they're not acting as a cat's paw for Kenyon, that's for sure.

I see it differently, Dave.

Moshiri has spent a lot of money at this club and probably wishes he never got involved but he needs to apply the correct structure under him. Most of us will agree that a lot of the appointments have been weak and disorganised. Personally, Moshiri could stay if he structures correctly and allows the governance, roadmap and objectives to be carried out by a new competent leadership team.