ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
I take it you'll be at the protest ?
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I take it you'll be at the protest ?
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
You getting your dad to drop you off there again like he did in 2007?
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
MikeH72
Player Valuation: £100m
If I wasn’t working a 12 hour day shift I certainly would be there. More than happy to send you photo proof on the day btw, and I will.
ForeverBlue92
Player Valuation: £80m
Just wondered.
My point isn't to say the club has been run well, its more about almost the entire fanbase colluding with that mismanagement, even cheering it on and our contribution to our mismanagement, now we've turned face. As a fanbase we have a role and a responsibility in this to.
As i say ive no axe to grind with someone like The Esk, id have a lot of respect for him as a lad, poster on here and a blue. But i think hes a good example of trend of collusion, he was in the vanguard of praise for Moshiri when he took over and the narrative was now of us hitting the big time and being on a par with the very biggest clubs, with Moshiri's investment and business acumen, the expectations were raise palpably huge, we all colluded with that, now hes part of this group of dissent - which is fair enough, but i also think its important to point out he and we all colluded with the management and investment and money being invested. Its a complete about face not just by The Esk - he's just the an illustrative example (and i dont mean this is a personal individualised slight in any way", but the fan base as a whole. We have had a role and responsibility maybe even a culpability in all of this.
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KaiserEFC
Player Valuation: £70m
You have an issue with the fans getting excited and optimistic about us finally throwing money about and signing what on the face of it appeared to be good players?
You also have an issue with the fans not being happy about it all now it’s all gone south and we nearly got relegated?
From my point of view, the fans were acting pretty normally and unless we all had a Delorean with a flux capacitor rammed up it’s arse all had good reason to be optimistic.
Must be hard stacking shelves for 12 hours a day then coming home to your second job of writing negative articles about the blues.
How do you do it
It's no surprise that we are in the state we are, our CEO and Chairman have proved abject failures at securing sponsorship for the club. Usmanov aside,which of our sponsorships have been at the level we could have expected? We have now embarked on an I'll advised deal with a gambling company and it seems, just at the worst time, if reports of the Prem putting a ban on gambling sponsorship next month are to be believed.
I have no time for Moshiri, I think he is a meddling idiot and as for him being a billionaire business man, he is not. He is the guy who advised businessmen how to avoid paying tax on as much of their earnings as possible, it, he was never a cutting edge innovative business man, however, he has invested in the club, u wisely for the most part, but nonetheless. We really need to get shut of Billy Liar and Blondie and Sharpy and employ some serious hard edged business people to drive us forward before it is too late.
If the 27 group can help to bring this about then more power to them.
I have no time for Moshiri, I think he is a meddling idiot and as for him being a billionaire business man, he is not. He is the guy who advised businessmen how to avoid paying tax on as much of their earnings as possible, it, he was never a cutting edge innovative business man, however, he has invested in the club, u wisely for the most part, but nonetheless. We really need to get shut of Billy Liar and Blondie and Sharpy and employ some serious hard edged business people to drive us forward before it is too late.
If the 27 group can help to bring this about then more power to them.
It's not the fans job to know whether a transfer is affordable for the club, or for fans to know what level of spending and recruitment can be sustained. Even if we were all financial experts, we don't have the information publicly available to make a call on that.
Issue is your word, my words would be colluded with it all and encouraged it. I think there is a degree of hypocrisy in it for sure as much of the mismanagement was clapped on, by rank and file and many of the prominent commentators of the club and the overall narrative. Everyone can acknowledge now in hindsight, they didn't care about the costs being heaped onto the club, poor decisions, mismanagement etc, but no one cared at the time, in fact the opposite, it was encouraged and clapped on. We all excreted hue pressure on managers getting sacked etc, even now there is pressure in the transfer thread to spend more. As fans we have a role in this, we colluded with it, we encouraged it, we asked for it and now we wat to wash our hands of the role and responsibility in it. Very few or anyone was dissenting voice up to last summer, despite years of significant losses all leading to here. A lot of people who egged that on will now be protesting against the ver thing they egged on, we have a role and responsibility in this.
Yeah i dont accept that mate, the accounts are public information, the rules are public information, if there were any dissenting voices they were called "doom and gloom merchants" in the main. People didn't want to hear the information, not that it wasn't there with some analysis, or even reading other peoples - its really simple, the business didn't grow and we spent way beyond are means and that was clapped on in the main. People wanted to believe everything was alright or didnt care "not my money". Fans -put pressure on Martinez getting sacked, Koeman, Allardyce, Silva, Benitez - that's cost multiple 10s of millions - we has fans had a role in this to - im not afraid to own that. As i say we colluded with all and bare some responsibility.
I dont believe fans dont whole any sway, look at what we did last season - saved the club 100's of millions and probably staved of administration, equally if fans hold no insight or sway on the running the club - why have a protest at all - or how do you actually know the club is being mismanaged right now if you cant analyse our position.............
The accounts are public information but are very much retrospective. Accounts are published 9-12 months after a year end. If a deal happens in month 1 of the financial year, you can be waiting almost 2 years for the accounts for that period. I think it's a bit much to expect fans to keep up to date and fully understand our finances and football governance. It's not their job to do so, and the information is certainly not available in real time. There is also only so much information that goes into financial statements. You certainly won't see specific transfer fees or wages.
Fans certainly had complaints about the recruitment as a whole. Maybe not from a financial viewpoint all the time, but certainly from a football perspective. There were plenty of times I thought we were signing the wrong player, or for too much money, or not in the right position. The fans who will protest will almost entirely be doing so because of our position in the table. 16th is not good enough and that's what matters most.
The level of detail isn't high brow mate, i mean you essentially need an idea of our losses, how much we make and the Profit and sustainability rules to work out whether the clubs wellbeing is a concern. I mean how do you know the club is being run badly at the moment, if you didn't know it wasn't in the past?
Im not speaking individually, in terms of individual fans options of decisions, its the general narrative we were all happy to clap spending and taking on costs like a sailor of shore leave. No one cared, were happy to avoid or thought somehow things would work out.
We can all say now things aren't good enough and they aren't no one is arguing differently, my point is we colluded and encouraged it and bare some of the responsibility. Its an uncomfortable truth, but a truth none the less and sometimes if you don't accept there is no learning and the same thing repeats.
There are high profile lads involved in the 27 protest who were the biggest advocates of this regime - in its first few years - that not a personal slight on them - but an illustrate example that echo through the fan base of the complete three 60 in support and behaviour.
Well I disagree that fans should have known what we could spend and what we couldn't.
There is not enough publicly available information for an ordinary fan to know our exact financial position, and how much we can sustain on transfers.
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