#27 Years/NSNOW/#AllTogetherNow Fan Campaign

[Neiler]

Well I disagree that fans should have known what we could spend and what we couldn't.

There is not enough publicly available information for an ordinary fan to know our exact financial position, and how much we can sustain on transfers.

So how do you know if we are run poorly now or have been in the past or its "not good enough" if you don't understand the information in the public domain, according to your premise we could be run brilliantly at the moment for all you know - because you don't know, dont have or don't understand the information.

 

[ToffeeTim]

So how do you know if we are run poorly now or have been in the past or its "not good enough" if you don't understand the information in the public domain, according to your premise we could be run brilliantly at the moment - because you don't know or don't understand the information.

Because accounts are retrospective. They give information on events that have already happened. The losses incurred in previous years are known and the figures are available. We know we were badly run because the information is now available, after the event.

But none of us truly know our exact financial position right now. All we can go off is what is happening and our perception of it. We have sold a player for over £50m and not reinvested anything. That suggests we are in financial trouble, but none of us know the numbers.

You said fans should have been critical at the time, but it's very difficult when you don't know the real-time position, or even if a deal is going to happen until it's done.

 

[KaiserEFC]

So how do you know if we are run poorly now or have been in the past or its "not good enough" if you don't understand the information in the public domain, according to your premise we could be run brilliantly at the moment for all you know - because you don't know, dont have or don't understand the information.

So a fan can’t have an opinion on the club unless they read the accounts?

Your average fan wants us to buy good players and win lots of games and trophies, they don’t give a toss about the accounts they care about the footie.

Also it’s glaringly obvious we’re badly run to absolutely everybody

 

[msb]

So, assuming the protest achieves a change in the board, what would new incumbents do to reduce our current parlous state?

They can’t spend money, if we have any. They cannot undo years of poor management, fiscal ineptitude and shoddy practices.

Whatever board changes take place will take years to unwind the current mess.

 

[Neiler]

Because accounts are retrospective. They give information on events that have already happened.

You said fans should have been critical at the time, but it's very difficult when you don't know the real-time position, or even if a deal is going to happen until it's done.

I disagree. We're five years into this mate, how retrospective do you want things - the cycle is three years. Its all and has been out there, we know pretty much what we are loosing since June and what are costs are today. Year on year the info is there. We know the turnover, we know, the losses, we know wages, we know amortisation, we knew it at the time.

 

[MercuryBlue88]

So, assuming the protest achieves a change in the board, what would new incumbents do to reduce our current parlous state?

They can’t spend money, if we have any. They cannot undo years of poor management, fiscal ineptitude and shoddy practices.

Whatever board changes take place will take years to unwind the current mess.

That's why it needs to happen asap, the longer the current incumbents remain in place the more damage will be done. We need to start to try and fix the mess.

 

[ToffeeTim]

So, assuming the protest achieves a change in the board, what would new incumbents do to reduce our current parlous state?

They can’t spend money, if we have any. They cannot undo years of poor management, fiscal ineptitude and shoddy practices.

Whatever board changes take place will take years to unwind the current mess.

Agreed

So the sooner we start the better

 

[Neiler]

So a fan can’t have an opinion on the club unless they read the accounts?

Your average fan wants us to buy good players and win lots of games and trophies, they don’t give a toss about the accounts they care about the footie.

Also it’s glaringly obvious we’re badly run to absolutely everybody

Thats silly, of course they can have an opinion, that opinion can change, its a free world, it doesn't mean that previous opinion wasn't colluding and supporting the process of expectation and culture of mismanagement however intentional or unintentional or just blind faith in regard consequences - this regime until very recently was well supported and popular. I mean i dont think as a fanbase we set out to support a poorly managed regime but we didnt protest or raise any concern by their actions, we clapped and egged it on.

They obviously do i mean this thread is 7 pages deep, the board thread bigger, the Moshiri thread bigger and Kenwright thread bigger again - this is a thread about an active protest so id suggest there is a fair degree of toss as toss goes.

Im not saying we arent poorly run or haven't been, thats not my point at all, my point is as fans i think we take a degree of responsibility and culpability in influencing the culture.

 

[BNJ1878]

If I were in the UK this weekend I'd be all over this.

Infact, anybody within 2 hrs of the ground should attend.

If you don't, you have absolutely zero right to piss and moan about the state of the club.

Kenwright and his underqualified, arse sniffing nodding dogs need dragging out and banning from L4.

 

[Jamalio Danubio DiCanio]

I've been critical of Moshiri on here for the last few years. I think it was clear he didn't have a clue how to strategically run a football club. However, a lot of fans where happy because he was spending money and winning the 'transfer window'.

Real issue here is that Covid and Usmanov sanctions look to have caught up with the club's finances. The strategic mismanagement of the football side of the club, and it's financial implication, was probably manageable long term in normal circumstances. The short term, non-footballing factors, have completed turned that on it's head.

I see the good intentions of protesting Moshiri but those protests should have come a few years ago when it was clear Moshiri didn't have a clue and money was being poured down the drain. Any current protest feels too late. Too reactionary to the current financial situation we find ourselves in. A financial situation mainly of our own doing and one some fans revelled in when the money was being spent (nothing wrong in that per se but any long term vision could see things weren't great and heading in the wrong direction despite the investments).

What are the current protests wanting to achieve? Spend more money off transfers this summer? Remove Moshiri? I'm not sure what the goal is and how a protest helps. Though I'm fully supportive and understanding of the level of frustration for the current situation. It just feels like a protest that is too late and the issues we find ourselves in are here to stay.

 

[mahermi1]

So, assuming the protest achieves a change in the board, what would new incumbents do to reduce our current parlous state?

They can’t spend money, if we have any. They cannot undo years of poor management, fiscal ineptitude and shoddy practices.

Whatever board changes take place will take years to unwind the current mess.

Your right it will take years to change due to the to the mess we are in, which means it is more important than ever to change things asap, because under these clowns it's only going to get worse. We are like the Tory party, rudderless, totally out of idea's, telling everyone what a great job they are doing, Kenwright/ Johnson, but really the truth is, like the Country Everton are on their knee's.

 

[Inchy226]

I've been critical of Moshiri on here for the last few years. I think it was clear he didn't have a clue how to strategically run a football club. However, a lot of fans where happy because he was spending money and winning the 'transfer window'.

Real issue here is that Covid and Usmanov sanctions look to have caught up with the club's finances. The strategic mismanagement of the football side of the club, and it's financial implication, was probably manageable long term in normal circumstances. The short term, non-footballing factors, have completed turned that on it's head.

I see the good intentions of protesting Moshiri but those protests should have come a few years ago when it was clear Moshiri didn't have a clue and money was being poured down the drain. Any current protest feels too late. Too reactionary to the current financial situation we find ourselves in. A financial situation mainly of our own doing and one some fans revelled in when the money was being spent (nothing wrong in that per se but any long term vision could see things weren't great and heading in the wrong direction despite the investments).

What are the current protests wanting to achieve? Spend more money off transfers this summer? Remove Moshiri? I'm not sure what the goal is and how a protest helps. Though I'm fully supportive and understanding of the level of frustration for the current situation. It just feels like a protest that is too late and the issues we find ourselves in are here to stay.

It will do diddly squat. Just noise.

 

[mahermi1]

I've been critical of Moshiri on here for the last few years. I think it was clear he didn't have a clue how to strategically run a football club. However, a lot of fans where happy because he was spending money and winning the 'transfer window'.

Real issue here is that Covid and Usmanov sanctions look to have caught up with the club's finances. The strategic mismanagement of the football side of the club, and it's financial implication, was probably manageable long term in normal circumstances. The short term, non-footballing factors, have completed turned that on it's head.

I see the good intentions of protesting Moshiri but those protests should have come a few years ago when it was clear Moshiri didn't have a clue and money was being poured down the drain. Any current protest feels too late. Too reactionary to the current financial situation we find ourselves in. A financial situation mainly of our own doing and one some fans revelled in when the money was being spent (nothing wrong in that per se but any long term vision could see things weren't great and heading in the wrong direction despite the investments).

What are the current protests wanting to achieve? Spend more money off transfers this summer? Remove Moshiri? I'm not sure what the goal is and how a protest helps. Though I'm fully supportive and understanding of the level of frustration for the current situation. It just feels like a protest that is too late and the issues we find ourselves in are here to stay.

You make some good points, but some not so good, last year we spent roughly £1.7 m in transfer fee's and sold some of our best creative players. This year we have signed one defender in on a free transfer and have sold our best player for £60m as well as other high earners whose contracts have run out.
I don't blame Moshiri for buying the club, I blame him for buying it and not getting new people throughout to run it properly and for sacking managers too quickly, 6 managers in 7 years is ridiculous.

 

[billyblue80]

Fully support this, until they are all gone we won't move forward. We will be lucky to stay up again, with the gross mismanagement of this club !

 

[trueblue84]

I disagree with how the 27years campaign is structured and their shockingly inconsistent messaging, but I will probably go to the protest because the board and owner need to be run out of town asap.