6 + 2 Point Deductions

[HowardsWay]

Yeah, you're right there. What was it they said. Oh, yeah, "these things can happen."

Well yeah, too damn right they can, isn't that just more reason to not come down heavy?

They're basically setting a precedent that says if any business deal you strike goes badly wrong, then not only will you have to deal with the consequences of that, but they will double down on you and potentially exacerbate the problem by handing out an excessive points penalty.

It's pathetic, and they've compromised the sporting integrity of the competition.

Not at all. It now depends how they apply penalties to others who break the rules. They've set a precedent and we'll see.

 

[Tin-Tin]

They didn't there were no rules in place. Guess why because when the PL was set up Carter was having talks about setting up a Super League with Rangers and Celtic. There are now rules in place if teams form a European Super League they face 30 point deductions.

They also weren't fined. They couldn't be fined because they hadn't broken any rules. The six agreed to make a donation to grassroots football as a gesture of goodwill.

I have included a screenshot of the rules. They were in place. It clearly states in the handbook that a club shall not enter another competition other than the below.

Why would the 6 clubs settle with the PL if they done nothing wrong?

 

[JP5]

It's so open to interpretation on both sides that it would almost be impossible to legislate. The fact remains that they got less points than us, that we did not have a sporting advantage by breaking the ffp rule for an extra 6 millions per year...

Exactly, and that’s based on us being over the limit. When an argument could be made that the sporting advantage should be based on total relative rather than just the amount we went over. Which would make the amount apportioned to the overspend smaller (ie if we spent 60m more than Burnley, only 20m, or a 1/3 of the total advantage should be accounted for. And by that logic, only a 1/3 of the point outperformance.

As soon as you get into the weeds it gets silly. For instance, we signed gbamin during the period for 25m - basically our overspend. He played how many minutes over the three years?

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

We were part of a 92-team Football League. The other 78 teams didn't vote for it. We did it for greed and self-interest.

If Moshiri had spent the money wisely and we were in the CL do you honestly believe he wouldn't have been in an ESL like a shot.

Then we get to posters whining about the top 6 dumping on us but quite happy to dump on the teams who have a case for compensation.

Hang in there mate

 

[HowardsWay]

I’m a massive advocate of that, provided the owner can afford it.
The only ‘fair’ alternative is a salary cap and some sort of transfer system similar to NFL which would be atrocious.

Doesn’t mean I’m all for clubs ‘doing a Leeds’ where they quite evidently couldn’t afford it.
But if a benefactor wanted to ‘do a Blackburn’ what’s the problem.

So how do you control "provided the owner can afford it?"

What happens if they can't after appearing that they can?

And what then happens in cases like Chelsea where it is pretty clear the past owner and the new owner can afford it.
City is a similar case and then Newcastle?

Surely the rich get richer, win everything and take all the spoils. Great if you happen to support a club with those means, not so great if you get left behind.

 

[MikeH72]

We were part of a 92-team Football League. The other 78 teams didn't vote for it. We did it for greed and self-interest.

If Moshiri had spent the money wisely and we were in the CL do you honestly believe he wouldn't have been in an ESL like a shot.

Then we get to posters whining about the top 6 dumping on us but quite happy to dump on the teams who have a case for compensation.

You’ve spent the last 24 hours in this thread Baileyjon, have you not had anything else on this weekend?

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

Yeah... for real. Someone has a different point of view so let's label them. Always the mantra of high school bullies.... frankly, it's abuse.

They all say that

 

[Portoman]

This is the scary thing::

 

[HowardsWay]

They all say that

Are you actually going to contribute to any of the arguments / opinions on this thread or are you just here to continue with your abuse?

 

[PhilEFC]

You’ve spent the last 24 hours in this thread Baileyjon, have you not had anything else on this weekend?

The reds aren’t on the telly.

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

You’ve spent the last 24 hours in this thread Baileyjon, have you not had anything else on this weekend?

This one’s on the ropes I think, rattling on about Everton being one of the clubs who broke away from the Football League

 

[hallamblue]

So how do you control "provided the owner can afford it?"

What happens if they can't after appearing that they can?

And what then happens in cases like Chelsea where it is pretty clear the past owner and the new owner can afford it.
City is a similar case and then Newcastle?

Surely the rich get richer, win everything and take all the spoils. Great if you happen to support a club with those means, not so great if you get left behind.

That is the history of football. Everton have always bought success as have most big clubs. Blackburn under Jack Walker. They wouldn't have been able to do it these days. You're just glad of FFP because it means the rs are guaranteed to be in the top 6 every year for all time.

 

[Duncan’s Pigeon Loft]

Are you actually going to contribute to any of the arguments / opinions on this thread or are you just here to continue with your abuse?

They all say that as well

 

[RD2910]

It has already happened with Sheff Utd and West Ham. There is a clear precedent.

It's mentioned in the tweets. It's a completely different situation of course, and obviously it was more possible to quantify the effect that Tevez had on that year's relegation battle than it would be for Everton's losses.

It should also be noted that they settled out of court.

 

[mahermi1]

Hopefully. For that to happen Moshiri has to stop grandstanding in public whilst pleading guilty to the commission. He has to show contrition, admit his errors and agree to follow the rules in future.

That wasn't just Moshiri was it that was our late Chairman and board of directors, you know the ones they called themselves "revered and World class".