6 + 2 Point Deductions

Sussex said:
Take your blues specs off. What would you honestly do?

We appeal (not sure who is paying for the legal team) and get the reduction of points reduced. We push through the sale of the club quickly. We let the pl deal with any clubs, outside the pl, to may sue.

And worst case scenario?
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They hold up the 10 point deduction, refuse the sale and give us another 9 for going into Admin as they’ll force us to pay out to Leeds, Burnley etc
 
Tipp blue said:
Spurs and Arsenal got 100 million plus low intrest loans government to get through covid.. Ukraine+covid+ new stadium=perfect storm. Every other team had to deal with 2 of these nobody else had all 3.
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Stadium costs are permissible deductions though. That means they have absolutely no effect on our P&S calculation. As for COVID we were given far more leeway than every other club in the League.

The only difference we had was Ukraine. The issue with that is we would basically have to admit it was dodgy money in the first place and far above market value. If it wasn't then we would have been able to replace that sponsorship by now.
 
brieverton said:
Read somewhere today that a lot of the clubs are uneasy at the severity of the punishment. There are a lot of skeletons in a lot of closets.
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They needn't be. We all know this is a short term thing to get past a political crisis the PL rats have to face.

We will be the one and only scapegoat.

That's why there has to be a rage against this all season long.
 

Question, I read that the rules changed last year and the stadium costs were now used against us for the FFP/P+S rules.

So now any club will find themselves screwed coming up with £750mil or whatever the cost may be if and when they need a new stadium?

Also, for Goodison and the site we own isnt the plan to hold onto it and do something club related? Would the sale of the land not be a significant amount?
 
gwladysnight said:
Stadium costs are permissible deductions though. That means they have absolutely no effect on our P&S calculation. As for COVID we were given far more leeway than every other club in the League.

The only difference we had was Ukraine. The issue with that is we would basically have to admit it was dodgy money in the first place and far above market value. If it wasn't then we would have been able to replace that sponsorship by now.
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Can you stop with this pretence?
 
gwladysnight said:
Stadium costs are permissible deductions though. That means they have absolutely no effect on our P&S calculation. As for COVID we were given far more leeway than every other club in the League.

The only difference we had was Ukraine. The issue with that is we would basically have to admit it was dodgy money in the first place and far above market value. If it wasn't then we would have been able to replace that sponsorship by now.
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Apparently the rules for the stadium changed in 2022.
 
Zatara said:
Question, I read that the rules changed last year and the stadium costs were now used against us for the FFP/P+S rules.

So now any club will find themselves screwed coming up with £750mil or whatever the cost may be if and when they need a new stadium?

Also, for Goodison and the site we own isnt the plan to hold onto it and do something club related? Would the sale of the land not be a significant amount?
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Yes it would, and if the club had done that then they'd have been within the allowed limits of FFP.

What a world: punishing a club for putting a community's interests above their own.
 
gwladysnight said:
Stadium costs are permissible deductions though. That means they have absolutely no effect on our P&S calculation. As for COVID we were given far more leeway than every other club in the League.

The only difference we had was Ukraine. The issue with that is we would basically have to admit it was dodgy money in the first place and far above market value. If it wasn't then we would have been able to replace that sponsorship by now.
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It's not for them to question the validity of deal but the fact there was one.

If they did...City and Newcastle have a lot to answer for.
 

Zatara said:
Question, I read that the rules changed last year and the stadium costs were now used against us for the FFP/P+S rules.

So now any club will find themselves screwed coming up with £750mil or whatever the cost may be if and when they need a new stadium?

Also, for Goodison and the site we own isnt the plan to hold onto it and do something club related? Would the sale of the land not be a significant amount?
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Selling off the land when there's been a mooted heritage site planned would be very RS.
 
Zatara said:
Also, for Goodison and the site we own isnt the plan to hold onto it and do something club related? Would the sale of the land not be a significant amount?
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Its worth jack in real estate terms. Plan A was to lob the land at EITC and all sorts of stuff being done there. Not a clue if that is still the plan.
 
brieverton said:
Read somewhere today that a lot of the clubs are uneasy at the severity of the punishment. There are a lot of skeletons in a lot of closets.
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If you saw Evertons Covid losses and then clubs just below. They were not that far behind us. I guarentee you the morning after our annoucement every club were in at 7am doing emergency audit checks.
 
HowardsWay said:
Maybe... alternatvely, you can continue to reduce the maximum allowance by 5M to 10M per year until you get to zero. That gives clubs plenty of time to budget and get themselves on a sustainable level. Natural growth of clubs is desirable and needed but reckless spending has to be stopped for the good of the teams, supporters and the competition. Something needs to be done to level the playing field though but trying to close that gate after some have already bolted is a difficult task.

I can't see a wage cap coming in as that was done away with in the Jimmy Hill days but clubs can decide they won't pay stupid wages and transfer fees.
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The trouble with having it on P&S allowance at all though is that it just further entrenches the imbalance. City will just pay more to themselves in sponsorships, Newcastle the same and there would be no chance of anything ever changing. By setting in a single monetary value as a cap, everybody is treated the same, regardless of income. Could even say that 10% of all profits has to be injected directly into local clubs or a national fund. Wonder if that would make the clubs as attractive to states and slush funds....

Salary cap simply can't happen, the Tory clubs at the top have seen to that.
 

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