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6 + 2 Point Deductions

"THE well-known lawyer for Leeds United"

By the wording of that guy's tweet he still does. Not just in the past!!!!
When and which cases?

I'm delighted to say I'm not on Twitter or X

I think you have misunderstood the situation.

If he had represented Leeds or even worse was retained by them he could not possibly have heard the PL case against Everton.

I know everyone on here believes that everything Everton is incompetent but I am aware of the excellent reputation of Pinsetts from my time in the profession even if I'm not familiar with the KC they retained and they would not have allowed such an obvious issue to arise
 
I'm coming more to the view that the club was poorly represented at the hearing even though there was a determination at the outset for a heavy punishment.

The lack of consideration for mitigating factors and the absence of any defined method for applying a sanction, known in advance, are the main issues as I see it. The club admitted a breach, co-operated with the league, and were met with the most severe punishment. Based on days of hearings and scrutiny, they were in effect done on an accounting technicality.

The threat of government regulation, and I'm guessing, the constant agitation of the Burnleys et al has resulted in the perfect storm. Everton are now the scapegoat for all the dirty business ills of football, at a time when there is widespread sportswashing and questionable accounting.

Fundamentally, how can a system designed to protect clubs from the worst excesses of profligate and irresponsible financial management turn out via its sanctions, and push a club very significantly further down the road to possible administration?

There is too much in the way of prior agendas, and smoke and mirrors here. The makeup and background of the commission is another factor. The club has to defend its historic reputation as well as the severity of the punishment.
Agreed. Why admit guilt if the margin is so small or highly debatable?
 
When and which cases?

I'm delighted to say I'm not on Twitter or X

I think you have misunderstood the situation.

If he had represented Leeds or even worse was retained by them he could not possibly have heard the PL case against Everton.

I know everyone on here believes that everything Everton is incompetent but I am aware of the excellent reputation of Pinsetts from my time in the profession even if I'm not familiar with the KC they retained and they would not have allowed such an obvious issue to arise

“In 2007 David acted for Leeds United in the 15 Point controversy. David represented Leeds in every stage of the matter - from a members’ meeting of the Football League through to the final determination by the arbitration panel.”

Full shtick: https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/23-24/comment/editorial/44171.html
 

When I first heard the news I thought we would get it reduced at appeal. But now it's become clear to me what the procedure is. I'm not so sure at all. They'll just get in a new commission and they'll conclude the same. Then that's the end of the road for us.
I don't think they will.

They may well decide something different in regard to the stadium interest argument. If they disagree with the PL position on it, then that argument sees a 14.5M swing in our favor.

The argument re: Transfer Levy appears to be pure B/S on our side so I expect that will stand.

Player termination is also a non-starter.

Covid - I think we have a somewhat weak argument in this regard but it is subjective. If we can show we actually received an offer for Player Y before or after the contract extension, we may have an argument.
 
I don’t understand why people think you have to pick a side between the club and the league. It’s obvious that we’re in this position because of our idiotic cowboy of an owner, but that doesn’t mean that the scale of the punishment we’ve received is right and fair. Why people have to make everything a black or white issue I don’t know.

Spot on. Its similar with any discourse in society nowadays, everyone is desperate to have a "hot take" and take one decisive position, and downplay reasonable evidence to the contrary.

We've been ran appallingly and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest we've been found to have breached the rules. We've openly admitted it.

We deserve to be punished for this.

The scale of the punishment is an absolute disgrace with no explanation given as to how they've come to that verdict.

The report is riddled with inconsistencies and the subjectivity of various points means such a harsh punishment is all the more galling.

For me, all of the above points are true, and it's fine to say that.
 
“In 2007 David acted for Leeds United in the 15 Point controversy. David represented Leeds in every stage of the matter - from a members’ meeting of the Football League through to the final determination by the arbitration panel.”

Full shtick: https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/23-24/comment/editorial/44171.html
I’m not so sure this is a big deal and there are other issues with the judgement that should maybe be focussed on. Sports law is a pretty limited field with a limited number of clients so over a career I imagine a lawyer will represent plenty of different clubs. Unless he is still retained by them (I don’t know if he is or isn’t) the fact he once represented them 15 years ago doesn’t infer any lifelong affiliation or anything.
 

I don't think they will.

They may well decide something different in regard to the stadium interest argument. If they disagree with the PL position on it, then that argument sees a 14.5M swing in our favor.

The argument re: Transfer Levy appears to be pure B/S on our side so I expect that will stand.

Player termination is also a non-starter.

Covid - I think we have a somewhat weak argument in this regard but it is subjective. If we can show we actually received an offer for Player Y before or after the contract extension, we may have an argument.

I'm not sure they can argue the mitigations again, really.

The panel did not give a detailed analysis of why they came up with 10 points, only that it was at their discretion and they did not use any formula. To me, they're leaving the door opened to be questioned and have the penalty reduced.
 
I'm not sure they can argue the mitigations again, really.

The panel did not give a detailed analysis of why they came up with 10 points, only that it was at their discretion and they did not use any formula. To me, they're leaving the door opened to be questioned and have the penalty reduced.
I agree but to me, and just my opinion, it looks very similar to the EFL system. I don't know why it wouldn't be as all clubs, particularly those going up or down should be party to the same system. I find it very strange that English football can't get its act together in this regard, they have had long enough after watching City and Chelsea take advantage.
 

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