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6 + 2 Point Deductions

Micky_T said:
I've also heard rumours of the points deduction being changed to a suspended sentence following the appeal. That would be an even worse result. I'd rather take 10 points this season than any other season. If we took a suspended sentence then got charged again we'd be faced with 10 points plus more for a further charge and that would definitely be too much to survive.
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Agreed.

10 points is nothing this season and we will still comfortably finish mid table or higher.

The teams around us are some of the worst ever in this league.
 
Nymzee said:
I don't really like seeing people try and say we shouldn't have been punished at all.
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We should have dont think any of us have a problem that the club is guilty. But that punishmeny of 10 points is a disgrace, i would have no problem if it was suspended say 3/6 and we got a fine. Even think a transfer ban makes no sense it had nothing to do with us spending on a player. Than if we broke the rules again would get say 6 points for breaking the rules then the 3/6 we had suspended as a punishment for breaking again in a certain time
Period
 
peterw said:
But you've accepted that you broke the rules, what you are contesting is the size of the penalty. Anything else is white noise. An independent panel chose the sanction and whether it is too high is what will be addressed. Shouting about how unfair it all is is more of your neighbours' approach to anything. i know this is raw for Everton fans (I'm a Villa fan), so am of course able to see it without the emotion involved and I appreciate that i won't appreciate how it affects you as fans of Everton. That said, the deduction this season is a lot easier to bear than any other season and in all reality will have zero impact on the bottom three this season.

This will also act as a useful barometer and precedent (not that you'll care one jot about this point and I understand that), for when it comes to applying sanctions on anyone else. You're guilty of one thing - 10 points; if anyone else is guilty of more, lets say 115 things, the penalty will be pretty brutal.
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It's highly likely won't be though, that's the point.
 

arch stanton said:
well, we didnt think we broke the rules and gave our reasons why, Player X, Player Y, C19 restrictions, Stadium costs and the sanctions imposed by HM Govt on our main sponsorship streams. Once those reasons had been (unfairly) thrown out, that is why we then had to form the view that we had broken the rules. Had those mitigation been accepted as reasonable, we then don't break any rules and all of this goes away.
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As I read it, we admitted breaking the PSR ceiling, but felt that mitigating circumstances outside of our control caused unit. So asked for leniency to the level of 0 punishment. Thats slightly different to not breaking PSR at all.
 

On Timmy Cahills Head said:
Might have already been asked but, once the appeal goes in officially will the points be reinstated until the appeal is heard or remain "lost" until the appeal is heard ?
At the moment, as the appeal has not been formally made, there is no reason to not make the points adjustment.

If you are banned but appeal you can play until the appeal so wondered what the position is with points as may have a physiological impact on our players and other teams.
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to be fair psychologically its probably best to be playing towards the worst case, than having the deduction added, then taken away, then maybe added again. At least in this instance where its more than possible to play our way out of it given we're 2 points from safety.
 
Blue Willy said:
Would love to be a fly on the wall here:

uk-times.com

Everton's 10-point deduction, Man City's 115 charges and banning loans for 'associated clubs': Karren Brady leads Premier League chiefs gathering at five-star hotel in London with plenty to discuss | UK Times

Premier League chiefs have arrived at a five-star hotel in London this morning for what promises to be a fascinating shareholders meeting.
uk-times.com uk-times.com
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The owners will be handing them each keys to Rolls Royces and introducing the string of £20k a night hookers to keep them all onside!
 
toffeeblue9 said:
That's not true at all mate

Even though we've paid nothing up front for him, that's merely a cashflow thing which isn't relevant to the accounts (the important bit which we are in trouble over). If we've paid £30m for Beto on a 5 year contract, our books this year will show an amortisation charge of one fifth of the transfer fee value, despite us not having actually paid a penny yet. The same will happen in the 2nd year of his contract.

The whole "not paid anything up front" is great because it alleviates the strain on our cash flow this year which is (as is well-reported) a problem, but it does nothing to help our accounts as far as I'm aware.
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I always thought money in/money out was part of it? Say we go down this season and don't come back up, wouldn't £30m going out in the next financial year accounts and a lot less income cause problems when the EFL calculate our losses?
 
Simon Buttle said:
I'm a bit more confident as whilst I'm not his biggest fan, Thelwell has previous experience of cost cutting from his time at NY Red Bulls. He went there to clean up their wage bill and get the outgoings down so we can only hope he has done the same here.
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I definitely believe we've sorted things out on the footballing side, but how much would the interest on the loans cancel that out?
 

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