Overinflating the value of a commercial deal and paying a manager off the books may end up costing them a lot more than money.
duncs pigeon
Player Valuation: £35m
Best case scenario zero points plus add ons- transfer ban?
Worst case scenario - 10 points.
No one knows, its all guess work.
Worst case scenario - 10 points.
No one knows, its all guess work.
I think you are right. I just hope that we are the outlier in the punishment stakes. What i fear is that we get a 10 point deduction, appeal refused, and then all the clubs have a meeting and decide to temper the severity of the punishments, after we have been punished.
Also, how the hell can you have two punishments in one season i.e. we breach the rules again with this months accounts. Surely that's a nonsense and if their is any further penalty it will be next year, not this. (assuming we are in breach)
Blue83
Player Valuation: £25m
It highlights how stupid the rules are, that a club with £1billion debt can be profitable enough to pass profit and sustainability
Possibly, or the clubs all get together and change the rules to make them less severe, AFTER we have taken our punishment. I will bet that will happen.
JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
This is exactly what will happen, there is nothing more certain.
The fact people can see it makes it all the more frustrating.
Why has Citys investigation been penned in for August next year?
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
The PL are still supportive of any team winning the league as long as that team is called United or Liverpool.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Both players were wanted by plenty clubs prior to them joining.
Everton for example were being linked with Caicedo before brighton and apparently we could have signed him months before -- per media reports.
Lucky the players chose them and others didnt pull the trigger
Notice SKY are showing pics of Goodison with its Megafon advertising on the Park End. Not been there for 18 months
No luck. Brighton clearly made a better case to the players , showed them a pathway and the decisions by the players were correct.
I can only assume the delay for the city case is because its more complex. But haven't they been investigating them for over 5 years??
Also Uefa found them guilty of breaching FFP quite a few years ago with 30m fine. The investigations cover the same period I think. Why has it taken the PL so long when another jurisdiction has already found them guilty and punished them several years ago??
Jacko93
Player Valuation: £35m
I know that it's quite sad, but I've just been looking over this again, because, in my opinion to disregard this as a mitigating factor is one of the worst
"The Commission considers there to be a number of difficulties with Everton’s argument. First, as a matter of principle we do not see why this should stand 36 as mitigation. Everton asserts that it suffered a loss as a consequence of a business decision that it made: we do not see that that can stand as mitigation. Second, although there was evidence of the player’s psychological state in the immediate aftermath of his arrest, there was no evidence of his psychological state when the decision not to pursue the claim was taken. Third, the value of £10 million that Everton puts on the foregone claim is speculative. The claim may have faced difficulties, and there is no evidence that Player X would have been able to meet whatever judgment might have been obtained."
Firstly, there is no evidence that Player X's psychological state had improved, so it should therefore be judged on the latest available factual data, which they themselves say is evidenced.
Secondly, to disregard it based upon 'he may not have been able to pay it anyway' goes in no way to alter the value of any ruling. Any finding in a court of law, and subsequent punishment should be done so by application of a judges consideration as to what is a return that equalises the loss felt. If a judge had ordered a fine of £10m to Everton, then that is the adjudged cost to us of the actions of Player X. We don't have to have that back in our bank before the loss becomes reality. I hope we have sought a Judge/counsels advice on potential returns as part of any non-realised case.
"The Commission considers there to be a number of difficulties with Everton’s argument. First, as a matter of principle we do not see why this should stand 36 as mitigation. Everton asserts that it suffered a loss as a consequence of a business decision that it made: we do not see that that can stand as mitigation. Second, although there was evidence of the player’s psychological state in the immediate aftermath of his arrest, there was no evidence of his psychological state when the decision not to pursue the claim was taken. Third, the value of £10 million that Everton puts on the foregone claim is speculative. The claim may have faced difficulties, and there is no evidence that Player X would have been able to meet whatever judgment might have been obtained."
Firstly, there is no evidence that Player X's psychological state had improved, so it should therefore be judged on the latest available factual data, which they themselves say is evidenced.
Secondly, to disregard it based upon 'he may not have been able to pay it anyway' goes in no way to alter the value of any ruling. Any finding in a court of law, and subsequent punishment should be done so by application of a judges consideration as to what is a return that equalises the loss felt. If a judge had ordered a fine of £10m to Everton, then that is the adjudged cost to us of the actions of Player X. We don't have to have that back in our bank before the loss becomes reality. I hope we have sought a Judge/counsels advice on potential returns as part of any non-realised case.
Hopefully player X sues them.
pfim
Player Valuation: £40m
It's not luck when they're consistently able to attract those players.
Perhaps it's not sustainable, but it's not luck.
JLW
Player Valuation: £60m
The more and more you look at it, it reeks of corruption!
They're a great asset to the PL brand with the players and manager they have, its self harming if they punish them severely.
Like weve said the laws/rules will change after the outcome of our appeal.