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6 + 2 Point Deductions

Jacko93 said:
The league didn't tell us how much we had to raise at all, they just told us it was up to us to ensure we stayed within the limits.
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Fair enough, utter shambles we were sailing so close to the wind.
Jacko93 said:
Our calculations were different to theirs due to to a difference in opinion as to what was allowed in addbacks. This was why the commission conceded that we hadn't set out to flaunt the rules.
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Again, a bit of competence employed at the club would have avoided any ambiguity.
 
BainesontoastNEW said:
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the Premier League's issue that we TRIED to gain a sporting advantage not that we actually did? I can see that being a loophole for them to use, unfortunately.
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Then why the draconian punishment.. 10 points for trying to gain a sporting advantage? We got a worse punishment than teams who've gone into administration which was always seen as the worst thing to be done in financial terms...
 
b-rad said:
A competitive league is better than 4 or 5 teams on top each year, unless you are one of those top teams.

I agree the success of the PL includes the rich history of many of the clubs, but rich history doesn't attract foreign players, or global fans.
The next generation of global fans won't be as emotionally involved in PL clubs as the current generation is. It would only ever be a slow shift, but I would expect a salary cap in the PL would change the attractiveness of its clubs to the best players in the world.

Does it matter? Well, maybe it shouldn't, but with PL clubs having tasted the riches then its unlikely enough clubs would agree to such a cap.
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I'm not talking a salary cap. There's way around that anyway. (Mancini as an example being paid as an advisor to Al Jazira SC of Abu Dhabi whilst in charge at City.)

An overall spending cap would stop the likes of Chelsea spending close to a billion pounds in 3 windows but being in compliance through long amortisation periods.

Anyway, the games bent so it won't happen.
 

Walken said:
Having the rules changed on Stadium interests during that period was a real kick in the balls too, for all their talk of sustainability that is the one thing that stands out to me as confirmation that ffp has ulterior motives written into it.
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This is one thing that really puzzles me. Are they allowed to just change rules without our (and 13 others) say so?

As founder members of the Football League and founders of the Premier League, whilst being ever presents, aren't these bozos in many ways just our employees?

I'd like to see anybody argue any sort of case that doesn't make Everton senior stakeholders.

I must admit though, I'm quite naive in these matters, and it's possibly/probably a lot more complicated than that.
 
John from Bootle said:
This is one thing that really puzzles me. Are they allowed to just change rules without our (and 13 others) say so?

As founder members of the Football League and founders of the Premier League, whilst being ever presents, aren't these bozos in many ways just our employees?

I'd like to see anybody argue any sort of case that doesn't make Everton senior stakeholders.

I must admit though, I'm quite naive in these matters, and it's possibly/probably a lot more complicated than that.
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Six teams are the product, the other fourteen are fodder. Newcastle will make it seven and thirteen, maybe.
 

John from Bootle said:
This is one thing that really puzzles me. Are they allowed to just change rules without our (and 13 others) say so?

As founder members of the Football League and founders of the Premier League, whilst being ever presents, aren't these bozos in many ways just our employees?

I'd like to see anybody argue any sort of case that doesn't make Everton senior stakeholders.

I must admit though, I'm quite naive in these matters, and it's possibly/probably a lot more complicated than that.
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A private company that can make its own rules. Those that have the most influence are those that get the most eyes on the product. That's actually only 2 clubs, and FFP was to bring down City and Chelsea to put those two back in their "rightful" place at the top.
 
Walken said:
Having the rules changed on Stadium interests during that period was a real kick in the balls too, for all their talk of sustainability that is the one thing that stands out to me as confirmation that ffp has ulterior motives written into it.
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Think the issue we had with regards to the stadium interests was the loans from Rights & Media funding was classed as working capital on the paperwork so we couldn't write it off.

The loans from MSP will be able to be wrote off as that is directly for the build and against the new stadium entity.

The silly thing is was the new build was started with Moshiri paying interest free loans for it. If we done it the other way round with him doing interest free loan for working capital and loans for the build we would have been able to write it off.
 

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