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6 + 2 Point Deductions

Which one of the big 6 has it stopped from spending lol

There is no evidence at all yet that they have been forced to stop spending. Big deals don't often happen in January, so we can't read anything into the past fortnight.


These are the figures I've found from last 5 seasons (I assume they are at least reasonably accurate).

Chelsea almost £800m net spend !!!
Arsenal and United both over £600m net spend
Spurs over £500m net spend
City over £350m net spend
Liverpool over £250m net spend

They are all averaging over £50m a year over last 5 years. I don't see evidence they are no longer able to spend.
 
There is no evidence at all yet that they have been forced to stop spending. Big deals don't often happen in January, so we can't read anything into the past fortnight.


These are the figures I've found from last 5 seasons (I assume they are at least reasonably accurate).

Chelsea almost £800m net spend !!!
Arsenal and United both over £600m net spend
Spurs over £500m net spend
City over £350m net spend
Liverpool over £250m net spend

They are all averaging over £50m a year over last 5 years. I don't see evidence they are no longer able to spend.
FINANCIAL REVIEW

Total revenue for the year ended 30 June 2023 reached a record £712.8m, an increaseof £99.8m, or 16.3%, over the prior year, with growth across all revenue streams comprisedof commercial, matchday and broadcasting revenues.In addition, profit on disposal of players’ registrations of £121.7m (2022: £67.7m),which have totalled more than £330m in the last five years, drove net profit for the yearended 30 June 2023 to £80.4m (2022: £41.7m), a record result in the Club’s history.

The Club has net assets of more than £790m.




City are playing a different sport than everybody else.
 
I don't think it is a valid point. Under the current system if an owner messes things up they leave the club £105 million in debt. There's half a chance that a relegated club can sell enough players to avoid administration. If that was increased to £218 million any club relegated and in that much debt is almost certain to go bankrupt if their owner stops funding them. Personally I'd say no club can lose any money, but bring in a transfer spending limit and wage cap that's the same for every club.

Going to match inflation is probably too high. But there should be some assessments if the losses fit.

Steve Parish has said clubs main concerns are the rolling 3 years and the lack of adjustments made to the allowed losses.

They give promoted teams half the losses to stick too (see Forest). They allowed losses due to COVID. So it's something they can do if they assess the climate cos when the average Premier League transfer is arguably £30mill, that's gonna keep going up.

There's not one magic bullet. The minute they let states and investment firms take over clubs, there's always going to be a gap

But a cap on something needs doing. Personally think it's should be a percentage of turnover cos you can't choke all clubs from spending.
 

Going to match inflation is probably too high. But there should be some assessments if the losses fit.

Steve Parish has said clubs main concerns are the rolling 3 years and the lack of adjustments made to the allowed losses.

They give promoted teams half the losses to stick too (see Forest). They allowed losses due to COVID. So it's something they can do if they assess the climate cos when the average Premier League transfer is arguably £30mill, that's gonna keep going up.

There's not one magic bullet. The minute they let states and investment firms take over clubs, there's always going to be a gap

But a cap on something needs doing. Personally think it's should be a percentage of turnover cos you can't choke all clubs from spending.

What are the new rules?

UEFA's executive committee has approved new financial sustainability rules to replace Financial Fair Play from this June. The rules have three pillars - No Overdue Payment Rule, Football Earnings Rule and Squad Cost Rule. The No Overpayment Rule means clubs' accounts will be checked every quarter to make sure all bills are being paid on time.



The Football Earnings Rule will allow clubs to lose €60m over three years - double what was permitted under Financial Fair Play. Clubs will be allowed to sustain an extra €10m in losses a year if they are deemed to be "in good financial health".

As part of The Squad Cost Rule spending on wages (players and head coaches), transfers and agent fees will be capped at 70 per cent of a club's revenue. This will be assessed over a calendar year and not a season, so spending in the summer transfer window will be included in the calculations.



Wonder if they adopt those?
 
I cant think of any reason why any fan of a team outside the top 6 would support financial fair play in its current format.

The rules are designed to protect the position of the already established clubs and restrict the investment an owner can make to try to better a club

The best clubs can keep spending and pushing prices and wages up, without the fear of getting it wrong, because they will spend more on more replacements if necessary. But if other clubs try to do likewise to attempt to remain competitive, they will fall foul of the P & S rules - even if the owner is investing their own money into their own business, with no concern on the sustainability of that club.

If the rules are there to stop football clubs from getting into financial difficulties then they aren't fit for purpose.

The rules are designed to rein in player salaries and fees. The players should be making a big deal of this.
 
There is no evidence at all yet that they have been forced to stop spending. Big deals don't often happen in January, so we can't read anything into the past fortnight.


These are the figures I've found from last 5 seasons (I assume they are at least reasonably accurate).

Chelsea almost £800m net spend !!!
Arsenal and United both over £600m net spend
Spurs over £500m net spend
City over £350m net spend
Liverpool over £250m net spend

They are all averaging over £50m a year over last 5 years. I don't see evidence they are no longer able to spend.

It's the vicious circle though. Those clubs can spend because they spent years increasing their turnover. Apart from City, there will be points in the years they'll have to tighten the belts. Newcastle have been taken over at the wrong time to do that.

But the other clubs that want to try and build now have a disadvantage. It's like a local coffee house going toe to toe with Costa. If they don't spend to attract they can't expand. The only option these clubs have is to do what Brighton do...scout and sell high.

There won't be a level playing field. But there is more eyes on clubs trying to break a ceiling than the ones already there.

I personally think they way Chelsea have conducted themselves the last 2 seasons is disgusting but it's not even on the PL radar.
 
FINANCIAL REVIEW

Total revenue for the year ended 30 June 2023 reached a record £712.8m, an increaseof £99.8m, or 16.3%, over the prior year, with growth across all revenue streams comprisedof commercial, matchday and broadcasting revenues.In addition, profit on disposal of players’ registrations of £121.7m (2022: £67.7m),which have totalled more than £330m in the last five years, drove net profit for the yearended 30 June 2023 to £80.4m (2022: £41.7m), a record result in the Club’s history.

The Club has net assets of more than £790m.




City are playing a different sport than everybody else.
Probably cos they're completely blagging it
 
It's the vicious circle though. Those clubs can spend because they spent years increasing their turnover. Apart from City, there will be points in the years they'll have to tighten the belts. Newcastle have been taken over at the wrong time to do that.

But the other clubs that want to try and build now have a disadvantage. It's like a local coffee house going toe to toe with Costa. If they don't spend to attract they can't expand. The only option these clubs have is to do what Brighton do...scout and sell high.

There won't be a level playing field. But there is more eyes on clubs trying to break a ceiling than the ones already there.

I personally think they way Chelsea have conducted themselves the last 2 seasons is disgusting but it's not even on the PL radar.
I don't support any rules which restrict spending or investment to be honest.

But if you are going to have rules, and we do have rules, then it is farcical that a team can spend like Chelsea. The rules clearly are not fit for purpose.
 

I don't support any rules which restrict spending or investment to be honest.

But if you are going to have rules, and we do have rules, then it is farcical that a team can spend like Chelsea. The rules clearly are not fit for purpose.
That’s why they changed the rules for player amortization. Chelsea even supported it since all of their nonsense was grandfathered in.
 
FINANCIAL REVIEW

Total revenue for the year ended 30 June 2023 reached a record £712.8m, an increaseof £99.8m, or 16.3%, over the prior year, with growth across all revenue streams comprisedof commercial, matchday and broadcasting revenues.In addition, profit on disposal of players’ registrations of £121.7m (2022: £67.7m),which have totalled more than £330m in the last five years, drove net profit for the yearended 30 June 2023 to £80.4m (2022: £41.7m), a record result in the Club’s history.

The Club has net assets of more than £790m.




City are playing a different sport than everybody else.

Hmmm....
 

What are the new rules?

UEFA's executive committee has approved new financial sustainability rules to replace Financial Fair Play from this June. The rules have three pillars - No Overdue Payment Rule, Football Earnings Rule and Squad Cost Rule. The No Overpayment Rule means clubs' accounts will be checked every quarter to make sure all bills are being paid on time.



The Football Earnings Rule will allow clubs to lose €60m over three years - double what was permitted under Financial Fair Play. Clubs will be allowed to sustain an extra €10m in losses a year if they are deemed to be "in good financial health".

As part of The Squad Cost Rule spending on wages (players and head coaches), transfers and agent fees will be capped at 70 per cent of a club's revenue. This will be assessed over a calendar year and not a season, so spending in the summer transfer window will be included in the calculations.



Wonder if they adopt those?

It's in the right direction.

If the PL had their act together and an actual plan to deal with clubs in regards to P&S...I personally think our situation would've been one of those where the league ACTUALLY took an interest in where a club is heading and said "right, you're building a stadium, you're net spend is the 2nd lowest in the league for 5 years, you've sold players... you're making an effort to get back on track"

It should be monitored. Then when a club looks like it's hitting these limits, get them to agree proposals to curb and get back on track. When anyone is in arrears, they agree with a creditor on repayment plans for eg. The club default, they get punished.
 
It's in the right direction.

If the PL had their act together and an actual plan to deal with clubs in regards to P&S...I personally think our situation would've been one of those where the league ACTUALLY took an interest in where a club is heading and said "right, you're building a stadium, you're net spend is the 2nd lowest in the league for 5 years, you've sold players... you're making an effort to get back on track"

It should be monitored. Then when a club looks like it's hitting these limits, get them to agree proposals to curb and get back on track. When anyone is in arrears, they agree with a creditor on repayment plans for eg. The club default, they get punished.
I know im in a minority, but I think FFP rules have saved us.

Our funding was pulled and we have struggled.

But imagine if we had spent what we wanted for the last 5 years and had a wage bill like Citys, then the funding was pulled.
 

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