So we now accept that Mirallas had an exemplary attitude as he was consistently picked by 3 managers then. Good. And Schneiderlin too. There’ll be some unhappy people reading that but I’ve got your back.
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Ademola Lookman
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He doesnt.
Stephen Gibson
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If we get a europa slot then he will get more game time. Hopefully it will give him some momentum. No europa & i fear he will slip into the distance.
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Just because someone doesn't have an exemplary attitude doesn't mean they are necessarily a bad egg.
From memory Mirallas was dropped from the entire squad when the story about him behaving like a scrote in training came about, Lookmans pretty much always been in the squad bar a couple of weeks a few months back.
If you have a troublemaker you usually look to get them out of the club, I don't see any comments from anyone at Everton suggesting Lookman is a troublemaker or that they want him out... quite the opposite.
Eh ? He's nearly always on the bench
But Mirallas had been here about 5 years at that point. Lookmans been dropped loads of times. Allardyce Literally said he sent him on loan because he didn’t want someone with a bad attitude around training every day, and silva has suggested twice that he doesn’t work hard enough in training. The excuses made for him are amazing.
Didnt make the bench for the derby, which I think was the game that prompted Silva to make his comments.
Most weeks yes, but not every single week.
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"I was reluctant (to let him go) but he insisted. But rather than having a player with the wrong attitude around the place....he really wanted to get some football."
Lol at wanting to play regular football somehow being the wrong attitude, especially amusing given how wrong he ended up being about the Leipzig loan.
Silva has called him the present and future of the club three times, including after his comments about his training. You simply wouldn't say something like this if the guy was being a disruptive figure.
At worst he's not putting 100% into training, not buying for one second that he's disruptive or a 'problem'.
I didn’t say he was disruptive. To me not trying in training means your ‘attitude stinks’ which is why I agreed with the post. If you thinking sulking when you don’t get your own way (like allardyce suggested) and not taking on board what the managers and coaches tell you to do (like silva suggested) is the sign of a good attitude then fair enough, we’ll just agree to disagree.
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I didn't say you did, plenty of other people have though.
I think his attitude regarding that Leipzig saga was absolutely fantastic, ignore the clearly terrible advice of Fat Sam and instead take the trickier option of testing yourself at a higher level. He wanted to play football, the manager wanted him to sit on the bench and twiddle his thumbs...
No one here really has a clue what his levels are currently like in training, for all we know he's improved but just can't get in the team now because we're playing rather well at the moment.
Anyway bad attitude or not, he's almost certainly off in the summer barring some miracle turnaround in his enthusiasm for the club.
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Allardyce was right to a point though. He supposedly just wanted to play football, so they set up a loan to a championship team where he could have started 19 games. Instead he was ‘stubborn’ ‘adamant’ gave the impression that he had ‘the wrong attitude’ and went somewhere else to start 7 games instead. Just wanted to play like, just not that often. And then people lap it up and say he did the right thing.
Of course we don’t know how he’s training right this moment, but being called out by your manager for your effort levels on two occasions in one season is enough for me to believe his attitude is questionable. Doesn’t make him a bad bloke, doesn’t mean he won’t ever change, but I don’t know why we have to keep pretending there’s no evidence of his attitude being poor, because there is.
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He had already played 20 odd games in the championship with Charlton... why would he want to go back to that level ? Why send him back to a division we already know he's good enough to play in ? Id have told Everton to do one as well in that position, absolute time wasters.
He played 11 matches at Leipzig btw, scoring 5 goals... almost certainly a more productive experience than going back to a league he had already played in.
But yes he probably does or did have a bit of a bad attitude, most likely because he's not happy here and never really has been (didn't he make comments at Leipzig about Everton not making him feel welcome or helping him settle when he arrived ?).
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But if you just want to play, you go somewhere to play more, no? He started 7 games for Leipzig by the way, like I said.
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That's a bit of a weird thought process imo, you can 'just want to play' and still have a preference as to where you play. It doesn't automatically you want to play for the club who offer you the highest number of games. I think you're taking that statement a bit too literally.
He played more at Leipzig than he would have done under Fat Sam and his comments about 'just wanting to play' will have been relative to the lack of game time he was getting at Everton.
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I like Bernard too and he's far superior to Walcott in almost every aspect, but you have to wonder why Lookman gets minimal chances considering the general lack of goals from wide areas
RJBOfficial
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So you genuinely want a below average winger with no quality attributes other than pace to get consistent gametime? And the reason being "he scored in a 4-0 win once"?
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