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Ademola Lookman

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Bungle said:
Chosen to use his first session back in the gym to look up flights to Germany.

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"What's that @Connor saying about me on GOT? Click that link and... oh that poor dog"
 

killenefc said:
Once again if we sell him for a profit who cares? Hasn’t really shown very much and we really need to stop this culture of having players hanging around at the club without really doing much.
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Chelsea sold Salah at a profit. De Bruyne too. They might care now.

Is Lookman that good? Probably not. Vlasic probably isn't either. But this is how those things happen.
 
killenefc said:
Once again if we sell him for a profit who cares? Hasn’t really shown very much and we really need to stop this culture of having players hanging around at the club without really doing much.
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If you have good luck with injuries, which happened to us last season for the first time I can remember in decades, you have players hanging around the club without really doing much. You have injuries and don't have the players in the squad, you end up playing kids.

Your choice.

Actually it's not your choice, which is a good think if you want to get rid of all the squad players because they aren't playing.

We need a squad of 14/15 top quality players to ensure competition and general rotation. We then need another 6/7 squad players, of which I count the likes of Holgate, Davies, Lookman and DCL who are there as long term injury cover and to be developed.

I'm not against selling Lookman if he's a disruption to the squad or if we need to raise funds to improve the starting XI, but he would still need replacing in the squad with somebody else who just "hangs around" until he's needed.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
If you have good luck with injuries, which happened to us last season for the first time I can remember in decades, you have players hanging around the club without really doing much. You have injuries and don't have the players in the squad, you end up playing kids.

Your choice.

Actually it's not your choice, which is a good think if you want to get rid of all the squad players because they aren't playing.

We need a squad of 14/15 top quality players to ensure competition and general rotation. We then need another 6/7 squad players, of which I count the likes of Holgate, Davies, Lookman and DCL who are there as long term injury cover and to be developed.

I'm not against selling Lookman if he's a disruption to the squad or if we need to raise funds to improve the starting XI, but he would still need replacing in the squad with somebody else who just "hangs around" until he's needed.
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I'm a major Lookman defender but I will say if we sell him and replace him with someone like Malcom or Neres that is a pretty decent way to do it. We don't need to buy someone to hang around either. Just drop them in for Bernard and shift Richarlison to whichever wing makes the most sense. We won't break even on the deal but it's better than nothing I guess.
 

He may come back with a new outlook & desire this season. If his attitude towards working for the club & himself doesn't improve in the next month then i can see Brands & Silva cashing in.
I wish he could shadow Ronaldo for a few days in training in Italy to show him what hard work can achieve.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
If you have good luck with injuries, which happened to us last season for the first time I can remember in decades, you have players hanging around the club without really doing much. You have injuries and don't have the players in the squad, you end up playing kids.

Your choice.

Actually it's not your choice, which is a good think if you want to get rid of all the squad players because they aren't playing.

We need a squad of 14/15 top quality players to ensure competition and general rotation. We then need another 6/7 squad players, of which I count the likes of Holgate, Davies, Lookman and DCL who are there as long term injury cover and to be developed.

I'm not against selling Lookman if he's a disruption to the squad or if we need to raise funds to improve the starting XI, but he would still need replacing in the squad with somebody else who just "hangs around" until he's needed.
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The issue to me in all of this, over and above people reading his body language is the contractual situation. He has 2 years left.

I always remembered with Barkley thinking, over and above it being a perfect storm that his form flounced with the season ending leaving him 2 years to go and enormous upheaval happening that summer, that there was a lack of strong and decisive leadership at the club to allow him to continue on that season without signing. With young players, as things currently stand, if you let them go much beyond the 2 years left on the contract stage you are asking for trouble. It becomes widely known they are going and you're ability to command fees drops.

If he will not sign a contract this summer, Brands will be left with little choice but to move him on. If he had 4, or even 3 years left there is some flexibility. However with 2 years left the likelihood is his value goes 1 way, which we saw with Barkley. I can't imagine Brands taking such a chance.

I have never been too bothered about body language. I think part of it is just his natural demeanour, he will never look like a Calvert Lewin who busts a gut. His game is about precision, acute moments of quality in the most congested area of the field. It would be hard to judge body language off that. I also appreciate he may not have settled. However I am a believer that you can settle very easily if things suddenly take an upturn in your life or work. If he started banging goals in like Richarlinson last season and was called up to the England squad suddenly he'd be very settled. Likewise the body language experts soon go away as frankly nobody really cares how you look if you are producing the goods.

What can't be written off though is the contractual situation. He will soon be in a very powerful situation with the club, and I'm sure his agent if it goes much beyond this summer will be saying to hang in and he will likely get a pretty decent pay day (ah la Barkley). I can't see us allowing it.

Fortunately things have conspired reasonably well for us. Tottenham seem to have more freedom to spend now. Hassunhutl is now at an English club with reasonable funds to spend. Palace are also going to have an enormous amount of money to spend this summer and the requirement for a winger. Thats before you mention clubs like Leipzig who I'm sure will be interested. So there's a chance he holds his value, or even we get more money than we expect from a Palace.

The idea of course is he signs a deal. However we tried in vain in hoping if we just played Ross he'd see the light and sign. I can't see us making the same mistake.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Chelsea sold Salah at a profit. De Bruyne too. They might care now.

Is Lookman that good? Probably not. Vlasic probably isn't either. But this is how those things happen.
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It's a good point, and I have little doubt Lookman and Vlasic will go on to have very good careers. That being said the answer to the question, at the real nitty gritty level from Chelsea would be that the above players would never have developed to be the players they became had they have stayed at Chelsea, so it's an academic discussion. That is very much their big problem now. They have enormous quality at under 25 level all the way through to under 16 every season. They don't bring players through as they ought too.

I posited some time back, that if we were signing younger players not all of them will work out, or even that some of them will work out and we will sell them on too. It may just be, that for them to continue their development it needs to be away from Everton. There's a similar problem too. I hope it's a question we consider if we lose Vlasic and Lookman, namely why wasn't Everton the right club for them to progress. However it's hard to say Silva could have done much more. Some blame will lie with Allardyce/Koeman.

In such circumstances you get what money you can. We pay around 8 for both of them and will double, if not treble our investments on them, which is no bad thing. In the premier league you can't have a team of 21 year olds. You can have 1 or 2. So if we are not playing some of them, if we can give them enough exposure to increase their value and seek a profit that is still a positive for me.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Chelsea sold Salah at a profit. De Bruyne too. They might care now.

Is Lookman that good? Probably not. Vlasic probably isn't either. But this is how those things happen.
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You can’t just keep hold of all the players you’re not giving minutes to just in case they come good though.

You’ve just got to draw a line in the sand and if a good bid comes in you know we’re going to sell him
 

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