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Ademola Lookman

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I’m not sure what controversial incidents have got to do with anything? The suggestion is that lookman doesn’t have a very good attitude and that he made a big fuss about wanting to go to Leipzig because only they could see his true worth... only to get even less games there than here.

where did this ”only they could see his truth worth” stuff come from ? Where is the evidence of this big fuss ? It was all pretty routine from memory, no going to the media to force a move etc

Is it possible that he simply did not enjoy being at Everton and wanted to join another club, a club that he had previously done well at ? It hasn’t worked out for him but that’s the way life goes sometimes.

Let’s be honest, some people are just salty because he didn’t love Everton.
 
where did this ”only they could see his truth worth” stuff come from ? Where is the evidence of this big fuss ? It was all pretty routine from memory, no going to the media to force a move etc

Is it possible that he simply did not enjoy being at Everton and wanted to join another club, a club that he had previously done well at ? It hasn’t worked out for him but that’s the way life goes sometimes.

Let’s be honest, some people are just salty because he didn’t love Everton.
Of course they are, but we’re talking on an Everton forum so I’m confused as to why you’d be surprised that.

It came across as if he was sulking, there were murmurings that he had wanted to go to Leipzig a year earlier and basically went through the motions for an entire season until he got his wish. His performances and comments from the manager did very little to Suggest that wasn’t the case and so it’s how he’s perceived here. It all seems fairly straightforward to me.

Personally I’m just not convinced he’s that good. Other than neat footwork I saw very little from him to suggest he was a top prospect.
 
I will be honest that what I saw of him, I thought he had it in him to be an established international quality player so potentially very decent indeed.

However it just hasn't happened for him here or at RBL. I think he may have been better off staying as a big fish in his home pond at Charlton to progress like a Le Tissier at Southampton. I think a Zaha-esque return home (or a nearby club) might be the best for him and his career.
 
A stable environment like a game where the rules are exactly the same every time it is played? I'm kidding but only a little.

For real though all the things you bring up are pretty valid, although some of them have been accounted for more than I think you know. For example something like the amount the team has the ball is frequently included when showing how many tackles and interceptions defenders and defensive midfielders make.

The part about figuring out a crap team vs a good team is also a fair thing to worry about, but it is pretty easy to adjust for mentally. And the gap tends to not be as outrageous as you'd think. For example DCL and Richarlison are competitive with the RS players despite the RS being the clearly superior team. The only team in the PL that sets itself apart to the point of needing to be taken with a grain of salt in an attacking sense is City since Pep took over.

Some of the things aren't really the job of the stats to decode. They're supposed to be a snapshot of what a player does in games. An answer to why or why not isn't really what they are there for. If as you said a player is struggling to fit in, the stats will show him just struggling, and the job of the person looking at the stats is to try and figure out why and make decisions on it.

You say OPTA is laughing but the truth is the RS use data extensively and are running away with the league. Juve use it, City use it and I'm sure other successful sides do too. It isn't meant to make every decision, but it is a useful tool.

Lastly, I do enjoy that you started this by telling me I shouldn't assume people on here don't like stats and then proceeded to explain how you don't think they hold water at all! lol

I have a feeling I read the original post incorrectly... I meant I like stats in general, they are very handy for producing reports in work for example where the environment is generally stable. For example if our staff were forced to use different equipment every week then the stats would fluctuate and the data would be worthless to me as there is no control.

No I am a proper stat luddite. I don't buy into them at all, never have done. The RS are running away with the league because they are a gang of cheating doped up knobheads (probably...) All 3 teams you mentioned have an impressive stat that does make a difference, money and lots of it. They can provide a tiny insight which I guess can make them worthwhile to clubs who are seeking any kind of advantage but I find investing faith in them to be a bit mad.
 

I read in some article or other that he's still well thought of at RBL. Just finding it hard getting in a team that's going well in the league and CL

Edit: but then I saw the tweet that they're trying to sell him so the article must have been bollocks
 
where did this ”only they could see his truth worth” stuff come from ? Where is the evidence of this big fuss ? It was all pretty routine from memory, no going to the media to force a move etc

Is it possible that he simply did not enjoy being at Everton and wanted to join another club, a club that he had previously done well at ? It hasn’t worked out for him but that’s the way life goes sometimes.

Let’s be honest, some people are just salty because he didn’t love Everton.
I think it might be more to do with him angling for a move away and after growing frustrated with a ‘lack’ of appearances. He was given plenty of opportunities but never took them. I can understand the frustration with that as at times he looked very promising.

I could imagine a level of dislike for him at that point in time, but we got great money for him and moved on.

It’s a bit like the ‘Osman is a grass’ stuff. It’s just a bit weird.
 
I think it might be more to do with him angling for a move away and after growing frustrated with a ‘lack’ of appearances. He was given plenty of opportunities but never took them. I can understand the frustration with that as at times he looked very promising.

I could imagine a level of dislike for him at that point in time, but we got great money for him and moved on.

It’s a bit like the ‘Osman is a grass’ stuff. It’s just a bit weird.
Iwobi has already played more league minutes for us. The idea he had chances is and always has been a myth.
 

The level of unnecessary hate this lad gets is bizarre. People talk as if he's the new Balotelli or something despite him being miles off... he hasn't had a single controversial incident in his carrier and yet people talk as if he's the textbook example of everything that is wrong with footballers.

Football fans are weird as **** sometimes

I hear you there.

A kid with all the talent and no heart. Little rat that!

Little Raheem wannabe.At least he'll get free school diners now.RAT.

Waste of space

It disgusts me that someone with his attitude can become a multi-millionaire. Set for life just from the signing on fees he gets from being moved on for being a massive belter.

Grown men.
 

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