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2019/20 Alex Iwobi

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degsy said:
Yep.
He's shight...we got stitched up yet again
Its 6yrs(?) since we paid £28M for Lukaku and I though that was a fortune for us.
Then we (well over) paid £28 for Bolasie.
Then £28M for Iwobi.

I think deep down we haven't reset our 'internal value of money Re.footballers' meter. £28M is now a pittance.

Suck it up, own it, get over it, etc. - We got full value for our money.

Same with Kean...we might be able to shift Kean, or Ancelotti will work wonders with both of them.

Or pigs might fly.

I shake my head in desair about this 'king Club and the PL sometimes.

Nobody knows what the new post virus landscape will eventually look like. I just hope that all concerned...the whole Prem League... don't try to keep on with the old ways and that the possible transition off the ventilator of stupid money life support doesnt see the plug get pulled on us (the rs can totally implode though)

Off on a wish list now but I wish that the club would say to all those on the 60k 70k, 80k 100k, 120k (ffs.) Everybody has to take a 50% pay cut or koff - we can't pay it any more.
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Reasonable minds can disagree over whether Iwobi should be kept around and used, but it is far too early for Kean to be thrown to the wolves.

I think people do need to realize though whether they fail or succeed that Iwobi and Kean are the right way for the club to think regarding transfers.
 
TheBigIguana said:
You're more or less right but I will say using appearances isn't a good measure when so many of them are from the bench. If you go by minutes he's played 7145 which is about 80 full 90 minute games worth. It isn't maybe good enough still, but 28 in 80 is a bit different than 28 in 118.

I agree with the last part, although I do think the key point here might be that finding Iwobi a spot that isn't a winger/attacking midfielder might be worthwhile. It isn't like we are overflowing with amazing midfield options but it goes without saying he can't play there in a 4-4-2.

Also with that last sentence, it is a bit interesting you would say that given your vehement defense of Bernard. Right now for me neither is good enough, but there are still things about Iwobi I like and could see working out. Given his age I'm not ready to give up on him but I can see why people are really dubious right now.
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I like wee Bernie, I enjoy watching him play but I think "vehement defence" grossly overstates my position on him. I just enjoy pointing out how much you hate him and how far out of proportion that is in comparison, say, with your position on Iwobi.
 
windymiller said:
I like wee Bernie, I enjoy watching him play but I think "vehement defence" grossly overstates my position on him. I just enjoy pointing out how much you hate him and how far out of proportion that is in comparison, say, with your position on Iwobi.
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The fact that you seem to hunt down my every post is why I said what I did. If that's a misinterpretation then that's my mistake.

My problem is Bernard is the type of player stalling us the same as Walcott, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and various others have. They aren't good enough, were never good enough and instead of rotating with players who could be good enough in the future they've been given the luxury of playing every game. And then there inclusion is justified as necessary because young players make mistakes, but they also make tons of mistakes.

So really I am tired of all of those types of players but for some reason everyone on here loves Bernard to the high heavens so my criticism isn't taken to kindly. But I assure you I view him the same as the others I've named. Iwobi at the very least represents the right idea even if he doesn't work. Sometimes even when you decide on something for the right reasons it won't work.
 
TheBigIguana said:
The fact that you seem to hunt down my every post is why I said what I did. If that's a misinterpretation then that's my mistake.

My problem is Bernard is the type of player stalling us the same as Walcott, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and various others have. They aren't good enough, were never good enough and instead of rotating with players who could be good enough in the future they've been given the luxury of playing every game. And then there inclusion is justified as necessary because young players make mistakes, but they also make tons of mistakes.

So really I am tired of all of those types of players but for some reason everyone on here loves Bernard to the high heavens so my criticism isn't taken to kindly. But I assure you I view him the same as the others I've named. Iwobi at the very least represents the right idea even if he doesn't work. Sometimes even when you decide on something for the right reasons it won't work.
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The bolded / underlined is a false statement.
 

TheBigIguana said:
Reasonable minds can disagree over whether Iwobi should be kept around and used, but it is far too early for Kean to be thrown to the wolves.

I think people do need to realize though whether they fail or succeed that Iwobi and Kean are the right way for the Club to think regards transfers.
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As you say its about opinions
But God preserve us from the wrong way then.
 
degsy said:
As you say its about opinions
But God preserve us from the wrong way then.
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I think all he means by that is if those players flop for us other teams will still be willing to give them a chance and we’ll recoup a fair bit of the dough we shelled out for them. This is because they’re still young and have a higher ceiling than say your Niasse, Stek, Ashley Williams, Schneiderlin , Sigurdsson, Bolasie etc and all the money pits signed by the Koeman/Walsh regime.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I mean the idea behind the expected whatever stats isn't that over a game or two or even ten they'll be entirely accurate. If it lasted for 25 we might have an issue. But Iwobi has played like 1000 minutes this year and half of those were under a pretty incompetent manager. I'd say give it a bit more time.

That said I do worry that his shooting technique means he will always struggle to finish at the rate he should.

Anyway did you actually read the article? Because the idea behind it was more that he's a very good passer, not necessarily a creator where he picks out the final ball, but a passer who moves the ball from places the aren't dangerous to places that are. This is where I've said he is valuable from the start as no one else in the team aside from Digne, occasionally Gomes and weirdly Sidibe can do that.
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I wouldnt have been a confirmed Pienaar fan, i always thought he had way more in his locker then he achieved, but he was very good at doing this also, a Knitter.

I think Iwobi thrives in tight spaces in advanced positions, when players are bunched, less so when play is spread, maybe its the Arsenal in him, that was his upbringing.
 
TheBigIguana said:
The fact that you seem to hunt down my every post is why I said what I did. If that's a misinterpretation then that's my mistake.

My problem is Bernard is the type of player stalling us the same as Walcott, Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin and various others have. They aren't good enough, were never good enough and instead of rotating with players who could be good enough in the future they've been given the luxury of playing every game. And then there inclusion is justified as necessary because young players make mistakes, but they also make tons of mistakes.

So really I am tired of all of those types of players but for some reason everyone on here loves Bernard to the high heavens so my criticism isn't taken to kindly. But I assure you I view him the same as the others I've named. Iwobi at the very least represents the right idea even if he doesn't work. Sometimes even when you decide on something for the right reasons it won't work.
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Hunt every post down, lol. They really aren't hard to find as they're in every thread.
There is a massive difference between Bernard and the other players you mention. He's fun to watch, I know some people don't care about that but if football isn't entertainment then I don't understand what it's for. Iwobi has no end product and is not fun to watch but, according to you at least, is the right kind of signing. Baffling.
 

windymiller said:
Hunt every post down, lol. They really aren't hard to find as they're in every thread.
There is a massive difference between Bernard and the other players you mention. He's fun to watch, I know some people don't care about that but if football isn't entertainment then I don't understand what it's for. Iwobi has no end product and is not fun to watch but, according to you at least, is the right kind of signing. Baffling.
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If iwobi was producing the same performances at say west ham that he was at arsenal his transfer value would have been half what it was. Having said that we've flushed eye watering amounts of cash down the toilet so maybe not lol
 
I’m sure somewhere on this thread, I just saw signing iwobi and kean is exactly the way the club needs to go on transfers. Ok, so sign players for loads of money, who can’t get in the team. A bad team.....
 
cronullasharks said:
If iwobi was producing the same performances at say west ham that he was at arsenal his transfer value would have been half what it was. Having said that we've flushed eye watering amounts of cash down the toilet so maybe not lol
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It was a bizarre signing. The exact sort of signing that Brands was supposed to stop us making. Last minute, pricey and for a position that seemingly wasn't a priority.
 

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