2023/24 Amadou Onana

[efcste97]

Michael Balls article insinuating that Onana 'hides' in games, doesn't pass forward etc is laughable, 13 passes into the final third on Saturday, 10 more than our attacking midfielder.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Same biffs were calling rice an average player a couple of years ago to be fair

He was okay at first, then became very good for WHAM, but he'd never reach the level he's currently at for them. Playing with much better players and he's still stepped up is a sign of a great player.

But also Onana plays very well for Belgium in a team with much better structure that passes the ball a lot more, but those are things we just don't do.

 

[Zatara]

The best holding midfielder do stroll around though. Gareth Barry was top class and I can’t remember him ever sprinting, that’s who Onana is most like from our modern history plus he is starting to become more of a threat using his height from corners too which would be welcome.
I remember all these players strolling through games in their prime and it not being a problem: Rice, Rodri, Casemiro, Yaya Toure, Pirlo, Guardiola, Vieira, Petit etc.

Not saying he’s as good as those obviously but those were all top class midfielders who I don’t remember putting sprints in - he’s not lazy for doing what his position requires

Busquets as well...

What evidence have you got that he's lazy? You're totally ignoring the fact that he's doing the job Dyche asks of him, 14 recoveries on Saturday, he's playing as a 6 but people expect him to bomb forward? Dyche wouldn't allow that!

"Did you see Onana had 14 ball recoveries"

-- No he didnt, besides he just stands around or waddles lazily each game

"Well the stats say he did. Plus perhaps his brain puts him in the right postions so he doesnt need to charge around".

-- I dont trust stats.

"Ok, well how many 6s do you see in a team such as Everton dominating teams, scoring and assisting"

-- 'Waits till next game and says hes lazy'.

Same biffs were calling rice an average player a couple of years ago to be fair

Calling me a "biff" lad? Haha actually when he was being praised a couple of years back i saw an average player. Then my eyes were opened.

I think the last Eighteen months of his west ham career he came in to is own
And now with a better team in Arsenal it is showing

Agreed. Never really saw much to him apart from his final Wham season and now at Arsenal.

Michael Balls article insinuating that Onana 'hides' in games, doesn't pass forward etc is laughable, 13 passes into the final third on Saturday, 10 more than our attacking midfielder.

I think Ball has his heart on his sleeve and would prefer a Gattuso type.

 

[Cameron Manning]

What evidence have you got that he's lazy? You're totally ignoring the fact that he's doing the job Dyche asks of him, 14 recoveries on Saturday, he's playing as a 6 but people expect him to bomb forward? Dyche wouldn't allow that!

14 recoveries? What sort of recoveries are they? Did you count them or are you using stats? If he could do a lot more, which he could, then he’s not doing enough, so draw your own conclusions. I don’t know what job Dyche is asking him to do, we only have four central midfielders so Dyche doesn’t have a lot of choice.

 

[Cameron Manning]

We average less than 30% possession per game and he’s told to sit in front of the back 4. We hardly see our fullbacks overlapping so I’m not sure why you’d expect to see Onana breaking lines going forward

He’s doing exactly as instructed, we are very stagnant, off the ball shape oriented team

You mean he can’t break lines now and again and utilise the space that is often in front of him,instead of going sideways and backwards with his passing or, as in the first half on Saturday, mis control the ball, give passes straight to the opposition and be caught in possession while dawdling on the ball. A lot of fans see his now and again good points and dwell on them and ignore or dismiss his bad points.

 

[efcste97]

14 recoveries? What sort of recoveries are they? Did you count them or are you using stats? If he could do a lot more, which he could, then he’s not doing enough, so draw your own conclusions. I don’t know what job Dyche is asking him to do, we only have four central midfielders so Dyche doesn’t have a lot of choice.

I want to know what you want to see him do more of? As a defensive midfielder 14 recoveries isn't a stat of a player who's a 'waste of space' like i've seen some calling him, neither's 13 balls into the final third. He can't play every single midfield role at once, Dyche isn't going to allow him to carry the ball cos he doesn't want that from any of his central midfielders, even Doucoure.

I watched him on Saturday and I thought he was fine and the stats support that notion. I think he gets unfairly treated by a section of the fanbase cos they have this idea that he has a attitude problem when there's not one ounce of evidence to suggest that.

 

[nsno-chris]

You mean he can’t break lines now and again and utilise the space that is often in front of him,instead of going sideways and backwards with his passing or, as in the first half on Saturday, mis control the ball, give passes straight to the opposition and be caught in possession while dawdling on the ball. A lot of fans see his now and again good points and dwell on them and ignore or dismiss his bad points.

No, I mean he’s been told to sit in front of the back 4; which he does

Why don’t our fullbacks play further up the pitch; why did our strikers spend the majority of time on Saturday outside the penalty area.

I’m sure when we replace him with someone who runs around a bit you’ll be made up

 

[pfim]

14 recoveries? What sort of recoveries are they? Did you count them or are you using stats? If he could do a lot more, which he could, then he’s not doing enough, so draw your own conclusions. I don’t know what job Dyche is asking him to do, we only have four central midfielders so Dyche doesn’t have a lot of choice.

The hand egg ball was on the ground, he picked it up and ran for the Downtouch.

 

[Cameron Manning]

I want to know what you want to see him do more of? As a defensive midfielder 14 recoveries isn't a stat of a player who's a 'waste of space' like i've seen some calling him, neither's 13 balls into the final third. He can't play every single midfield role at once, Dyche isn't going to allow him to carry the ball cos he doesn't want that from any of his central midfielders, even Doucoure.

I watched him on Saturday and I thought he was fine and the stats support that notion. I think he gets unfairly treated by a section of the fanbase cos they have this idea that he has an attitude problem when there's not one ounce of evidence to suggest that.

I haven’t said he’s a waste of space, I want him to pass and move and get more involved with his team mates, not pass backwards and indicate to the player he’s passed to how to use the ball.

Do you really think that Dyche doesn’t want any of his central midfielders to carry the ball? That’s exactly what he wants them to do and the team is crying out for one of them to do this even if they take turns of piece to do this.I hope whoever buys him, just go on his stats, we might get the £80M some fans think he’s worth but they’ll be very disappointed with what they get for their money.

 

[efcste97]

I haven’t said he’s a waste of space, I want him to pass and move and get more involved with his team mates, not pass backwards and indicate to the player he’s passed to how to use the ball.

Do you really think that Dyche doesn’t want any of his central midfielders to carry the ball? That’s exactly what he wants them to do and the team is crying out for one of them to do this even if they take turns of piece to do this.I hope whoever buys him, just go on his stats, we might get the £80M some fans think he’s worth but they’ll be very disappointed with what they get for their money.

He wants them to carry it on the counter when there's acres of space. otherwise he doesn't, the attacking midfielder should be the player carrying the ball the most, not the player who's instructed to sit deep.

 

[Cameron Manning]

He wants them to carry it on the counter when there's acres of space. otherwise he doesn't, the attacking midfielder should be the player carrying the ball the most, not the player who's instructed to sit deep.

Well he is in the opponents half of the field many times with plenty of space in front of him but slows the game down and passes sideways and backwards and now and again has a go of running with the ball but that is rare, as rare as he is credited with assists.

 

[Hinchcliffe's Corner]

Here we go, the "lazy" shouts have started. Sinister.

 

[efcste97]

Well he is in the opponents half of the field many times with plenty of space in front of him but slows the game down and passes sideways and backwards and now and again has a go of running with the ball but that is rare, as rare as he is credited with assists.

I do think he can be pedestrian at times but he wasn't on Saturday. He's a player who'll be more suited to a possession based side, we have very little movement off the ball,. makes it hard for any of the players to pick out a pass, no overlapping fbs, 1 up front, doucoure who's technically awful, wingers who constantly lose the ball. There's a reason why Dyche has won very little PL games when his sides have had more of the ball, it's not just cos the players are

 

[Cameron Manning]

I do think he can be pedestrian at times but he wasn't on Saturday. He's a player who'll be more suited to a possession based side, we have very little movement off the ball,. makes it hard for any of the players to pick out a pass, no overlapping fbs, 1 up front, doucoure who's technically awful, wingers who constantly lose the ball. There's a reason why Dyche has won very little PL games when his sides have had more of the ball, it's not just cos the players are

Yes he’s in a very limited squad so don’t you think he should stand out more if, as you think, he’s a very talented player, he’s pedestrian far too often and on Saturday in the first half he was very poor wherever he was positioned on the field. Let’s be honest here you think he is a good player who will become much better in the future, maybe, I can see his talent now and again, he needs to be using it a lot more now. Let’s see how he shapes on Saturday against a team, who according to paper talk are very interested in signing him. He should be breaking a gut to impress, I hope he does for his own sake and more importantly for Everton and us fans.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Do you really think that Dyche doesn’t want any of his central midfielders to carry the ball?

Yes, 100%, all the time, easiest answer.

Do you even watch us try to play? It's pass back or sideways for someone to hoof to the forward or Doucoure. What midfield are you talking about? There's not been a midfield triangle for us under Dyche as we play flat and go long unless it's a counter ffs