American Investment

[Neiler]

I think a Chelsea/City style rise is impossible now. Newcastle are riding the Crest of a wave, but we are 15 games in, let's see what happens over 38 games. They are very close to being at the edge of FFP.

Our issue is ostensibly:
1) We broke with an approach that worked. We spent money well. We had a low expectation, low manager turnover who took a cautious approach. We didnt evolve this, but sought to build something different from scratch.

2) We acted like we had unlimited, or game changing money when we didnt. We now have very little money.

3) We entrusted a management team to oversee this who were already weak, and had no idea how to improve a more ambitious business.

An American owner could help us resolve some of these contradictions.

I don’t think so mate, be like Robert Earl (remember him) parking your money let it appreciate then sell on, for a minority stake anyway, maybe a negotiation whether a rep gets a seat on the board.

You can see why it might be appealing, revenue might jump via BMD.

 

[mahermi1]

Mark Noble: ‘If a top club wants Declan Rice they’re just going to pay for him, full stop’

West Ham’s sporting director tells Donald McRae about competing with giants, selfishness in his youth and why he expects more countries to buy clubs

www.theguardian.com

It's not right is it? You've got a club there (West Ham) pretty much saying that it's impossible to compete with the top 6.

Tbh it would in my opinion have been better, if that super league had not been stopped, because simply that super league is already in force in the premier league. The rest of us are just spectators waiting to have our best players taken off us to play against us, this league is just a forgone conclusion and a farce.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Tbh it would in my opinion have been better, if that super league had not been stopped, because simply that super league is already in force in the premier league. The rest of us are just spectators waiting to have our best players taken off us to play against us, this league is just a forgone conclusion and a farce.

During the Kenright era there was a sense that a wealthier owner would allow us to keep hold of any decent young players that we had (and we did have a good reputation for that back then) rather than having to sell them to balance the books. I don't think that's the case any more. Phillips and Grealish are good examples. They were the heart of their respective teams and now largely warm the bench as squad players. I mean the fact that City can spend £120 million or something silly for two squad players highlights the divide.

 

[Yarrgh]

It's irrelevant, isn't it? Are they going to be richer than those that own City or Newcastle? Our own revenue is way behind that of Spurs, Arsenal, United, Chelsea et al.

It's the same with the new stadium. Sure, it's bigger than Goodison, but it's still way behind the stadia of the teams we're trying to overhaul, so it provides us no relative advantage over them at all, it just reduces a tiny bit our disadvantage.

Always the optimist.

 

[brieverton]

I wouldn't see at present how any investors, American or otherwise, would see $$$$ when contemplating buying into Everton.

Most of us seem to want a sovereign / Middle East takeover as the answer to all of our problems, but in the absence of that happening, then I'd settle for investors who have a track record of competency and delivery. Making a profit on the club isn't a dirty motive in my eyes, as long as it's based on putting hard cash in first, and never a leveraged buy-out.

It would be most refreshing to have an owner and board who could implement the reforms and restructuring required for us to take our place in the 21st century. They don't need to be mega-rich and I'm not pinning my hopes on that type of takeover. Just to see Kenwright and Moshiri out and a new board with ideas and people in roles for which they have experience in and expertise for. That would be a huge thing in itself.

 

[Stuartisitc1878]

Tbh it would in my opinion have been better, if that super league had not been stopped, because simply that super league is already in force in the premier league. The rest of us are just spectators waiting to have our best players taken off us to play against us, this league is just a forgone conclusion and a farce.

Leicester's league win a few years ago really rattled them. Since then the big 6 have done all they can to distance themselves from the rest of the league whether that's massive financial deals, stripping the other 14 clubs of their best assets (manager and player), 5 subs, project big picture and the super league.
How Newcastle progress and how that effects the dynamic will be interesting as they can't be outmuscled financially.
As for the rest of league, we don't matter. Like you say, it's a farce.

 

[Llyrap]

I wouldn't see at present how any investors, American or otherwise, would see $$$$ when contemplating buying into Everton.

Most of us seem to want a sovereign / Middle East takeover as the answer to all of our problems, but in the absence of that happening, then I'd settle for investors who have a track record of competency and delivery. Making a profit on the club isn't a dirty motive in my eyes, as long as it's based on putting hard cash in first, and never a leveraged buy-out.

It would be most refreshing to have an owner and board who could implement the reforms and restructuring required for us to take our place in the 21st century. They don't need to be mega-rich and I'm not pinning my hopes on that type of takeover. Just to see Kenwright and Moshiri out and a new board with ideas and people in roles for which they have experience in and expertise for. That would be a huge thing in itself.

I agree with that but in respect of American investors I can see a scenario where there majority of the club owners are of the same ilk and could make some fundamental changes to the league. That 39th game etc. They aspire to a franchise system without relegation which then makes each and every team in the premier significantly more valuable.

 

[brucemate]

I wouldn't see at present how any investors, American or otherwise, would see $$$$ when contemplating buying into Everton.

Most of us seem to want a sovereign / Middle East takeover as the answer to all of our problems, but in the absence of that happening, then I'd settle for investors who have a track record of competency and delivery. Making a profit on the club isn't a dirty motive in my eyes, as long as it's based on putting hard cash in first, and never a leveraged buy-out.

It would be most refreshing to have an owner and board who could implement the reforms and restructuring required for us to take our place in the 21st century. They don't need to be mega-rich and I'm not pinning my hopes on that type of takeover. Just to see Kenwright and Moshiri out and a new board with ideas and people in roles for which they have experience in and expertise for. That would be a huge thing in itself. displayed some acumen and strategic

The final paragraph says it all. It appears that we have spent the last 18 years or so robbing Peter to pay Paul and then wasting the one opportunity we were given.

In any other business, such incompetence would result in removal from a board. We could not do so because of the allocation of our shares.

An owner and Board who displayed some acumen and strategic planning together with a top CEO would make a bi difference at all levels of the club.

 

[Colonel Getafe]

It isn't hard, look at the actual physical evidence. We have a stadium on the docks that already looks like it can become world famous. That gives us a USP for further investment which might eventually take us where we want to be.

If we stayed at Goodison or had moved to the Kirkby Tescodrome we wouldn't. Simple. Moshiri's biggest weakness was that he believed we could easily jump steps to become a force, that made him take decisions with team affairs that in the end hasn't worked out but at the same time that will have also given us a stadium generally above our means for a club that generates less cash than some that are way beneath our status.

We needed someone like Moshiri to be daft enough to do that, that legacy will set us up to at least hang on the coat tails of the teams we were once bigger than.

Flip it around what have our previous owners done for the betterment of the club? We lucked into a period of stability due to a half decent manager who could play to the strengths of a small budget side whilst there was less competition around. Basically it was a continual period of decline where no one had a vision to move the club forward one iota.

It is also a question of timing, had Moshiri taken over when Lukaku was just starting here instead of when he was already fed up and wanted to go we could have gone places. We also had sliding door moments like when Giroud pulled out coming here at the last moment. Football is littered with a history of owners who tried to spend their way to success but ultimately fall, money isn't a guarantee, however under this owner we have seen the biggest manager we have ever had and the most technically gifted footballer. He would happily fire bomb the whole squad and start again if the rules didn't prevent it - again timing, that alongside with covid and war which reduced our income further.

Mistakes have been made no question but the people who would happily drive him out in favour of 'real' investors are the equivalent to a child having a tantrum. They are not imterested in understanding the reasoning behind why things might have gone wrong despite giving it everything and missing the fact that as long as we don't go bust and as long as the stadium is finished, he will have given about as much as anyone could ever have in terms of foundations for the future.

Being anti-Moshiri is not just the equivalent to throwing a tantrum, there are many legitimate arguements for that stance. Aside from shovels in the ground on a shiny stadium, this supposed smart businessman has been an utter disaster. Let's not pretend he's a passionate blue; him and Usmanov couldn't oust Kronke from Arsenal, so they sold their interest and we were simply the next cab off the rank that suited.

We've gone from being best-of-the-rest to within a whisker of being relegated (and we still might). We've wasted half a billion to have a worse squad than when he arrived, blowing our one shot to maybe crack the top six. We've been right on the line of breaching P&S rules resulting in possible sanctions (even after sweeping as much of it under the covid rug as possible). We've got zero identity, zero plan, drifting aimlessly as Moshiri hires-n-fires DOFs and managers on a whim with zero clue or care what he's doing with not an ounce of regard for the fans. We are a textbook example of what not do to after buying a football club.

For one of England's most historic and well-decorated clubs we're a country mile or fifty behind most clubs in the Prem from a commercial stand point; quite possibly due in part to Moshiri sticking with an highly paid and thoroughly inept boardroom I wouldn't trust with a lemonade stand. On and off the pitch, I'd argue the likes of Leics and Brighton and and WHam and perhaps even a Palace or Brentford are ahead of us as upward mobile clubs with a plan.

As for the stadium, I do not believe for 1 second if any other serious owner had taken us over they wouldn't have also had the knowhow or resources to make the stadium happen if it was part of their longterm business thinking. Moshiri did not do the impossible here. For me, a shiny new stadium doesn't erase the long list of Moshiri failings. I don't see the worlds biggest brands queueing up to throw sponsorship money at us because it looks nice, or the world's best players picking up over the elite because there's a nice view of the waterfront. We'll still be behind about 6/7 teams for max capacity even after spending half a billion on it. Far too many people clinging on to the new stadium as our magic, save-all golden ticket IMO.

(And now I've probably typed even more than you did. Chuffin' nora!)

 

[Dr Baxter]

Tbh it would in my opinion have been better, if that super league had not been stopped, because simply that super league is already in force in the premier league. The rest of us are just spectators waiting to have our best players taken off us to play against us, this league is just a forgone conclusion and a farce.

Interesting what he said about the way ownership of clubs is going with sovereign states buying them up. I just wonder if we should be looking nearer to home for a super league. It's pretty obvious that the Spanish and Italian giants are frustrated by the money our league generates. Imagine how much more they might resent the Premier League in 10/15 years.

 

[Ferguson1878]

It's all kinds of wrong to even think that the only way Everton can possibly win is to become the play thing of a dodgy petrostate. If that's what it takes, do we really want that?

Yes , but we’d Probaly end up messing that up to

 

[Toffeeslam]

I see a lot of posts but nothing concrete, has there been any real tangible noise about investment or buy out ?

If not what’s the point of this thread ?

 

[The binman chronicles]

Being anti-Moshiri is not just the equivalent to throwing a tantrum, there are many legitimate arguements for that stance. Aside from shovels in the ground on a shiny stadium, this supposed smart businessman has been an utter disaster. Let's not pretend he's a passionate blue; him and Usmanov couldn't oust Kronke from Arsenal, so they sold their interest and we were simply the next cab off the rank that suited.

No one says he is a die hard Blue. He bought in and he put his money where his mouth was. We finished relatively high up in the table after his first year and trusted those to continue that afterwards. Koemam picking Klaassen, Walsh getting Sigurdsson and Kenwright bringing back Rooney caused all those problems (this is where if Giroud had gave come we may have been alright). That is not Moshiri's fault that buggered us right up for the foreseeable.

We've gone from being best-of-the-rest to within a whisker of being relegated (and we still might). We've wasted half a billion to have a worse squad than when he arrived, blowing our one shot to maybe crack the top six. We've been right on the line of breaching P&S rules resulting in possible sanctions (even after sweeping as much of it under the covid rug as possible). We've got zero identity, zero plan, drifting aimlessly as Moshiri hires-n-fires DOFs and managers on a whim with zero clue or care what he's doing with not an ounce of regard for the fans. We are a textbook example of what not do to after buying a football club.

We were best of the rest way before Moshiri, we were already on slide and several teams had bumped us down from finishing regularly 5th to more likely 7th anyhow. Without European football the income dwindles, less choice of players. It is an argument often aimed but it is ridiculously wrong.

The sacking of DoF's and Managers were mainly driven by the fams who made it toxic to be able to continue. Some deserved, some perhaps not.

For one of England's most historic and well-decorated clubs we're a country mile or fifty behind most clubs in the Prem from a commercial stand point; quite possibly due in part to Moshiri sticking with an highly paid and thoroughly inept boardroom I wouldn't trust with a lemonade stand. On and off the pitch, I'd argue the likes of Leics and Brighton and and WHam and perhaps even a Palace or Brentford are ahead of us as upward mobile clubs with a plan.

Again Kenwright turned us into just be happy to be in the PL, he was the one that sat on his arse commercially - Moshiri tried to generate revenue by sponsoring stuff like FF, that was all him. No blue chip company was ever going to pay massive amounts to us so it needed an umbrella company to do so. Again not Moshiri's fault Putin invaded Ukraine and took that option all away.

The boardroom comment is something we can finally agree on.

As for the stadium, I do not believe for 1 second if any other serious owner had taken us over they wouldn't have also had the knowhow or resources to make the stadium happen if it was part of their longterm business thinking. Moshiri did not do the impossible here. For me, a shiny new stadium doesn't erase the long list of Moshiri failings. I don't see the worlds biggest brands queueing up to throw sponsorship money at us because it looks nice, or the world's best players picking up over the elite because there's a nice view of the waterfront. We'll still be behind about 6/7 teams for max capacity even after spending half a billion on it. Far too many people clinging on to the new stadium as our magic, save-all golden ticket IMO.

As we don't make any money no owner would have invested huge amounts into us to build a stadium. Kenwright and co. would have had to have sold for nothing for that to have happened. If by some miracle we did get a stadium it would have been identikit flat-pack one similar to St Mary's or the King Power one.

You are right the stadium isn't a magic bullet, it was supposed to increase revenue by a lot due to USM sponsoring it, with that not happening it still leaves us a drift of the top clubs - but it will close the gap from all the others that currently earn more than we so which is a start and again that is all through our owner who is paying for it.

You cannot argue with the fact it will make us more desirable as an investment, so we are likely to have better owners in future because of it.

You seem bitter that we have spent money and gone backwards (despite we were going backwards anyway), the table and players are all temporary...we could come back after Christmas and fluke a run to get top half. I'm not saying we will but it is the transient nature of the table...you can look better or worse than you should at any given point. The infrastructure changes are what really count going forward though, these are long term benefits.

 

[Big Sams Undies]

Certainly helps though that BMD will be one of the stadia used for the joint Irish/U.K. Euro bid.

Helps how?

So will Anfield, OT, Etihad, Emirates, Spurs, West Ham, Wembley, St James Park probably even Villa Park and Stadium of Light.

Won’t make one iota of difference.

 

[SerenityNigh]

I'm only arsed whether the new owners know how to build/run a club. To me it's less a matter of experience than character. These Kaminsky people don't impress me with what I've seen so far.

Not one American owner has bought into a club that wasn't already a top level outfit and built them up.

Middle Eastern owners have built City, PSG and now Newcastle

Thai/Chinese owners have done well at Leicester and to a lesser extent Wolves.

Russians with likes of Chelsea and very briefly Monaco.

Yet most of the PL are owned by Yanks.

The answer is NO - they buy into clubs to milk them for profit with little intention to win stuff or connect with the clubs history/culture.

That said, I've met bricks with more salient thought than this, so maybe I'd be ok if a bag of bricks bought the club as well.