American Investment

[Billy Dean]

Tbh, I'm not sure it makes much difference either way. It's probably even worse now, but the top 6 have 2 to 3 times our income, and that's before you get into the clubs owned by nation states. Football is a loaded dice these days. Even if BMD adds £50 million to our revenue per season (which seems optimistic), we still have roughly £150 million "less" to spend even than Arsenal. United have £350 million extra to spend each year than us. How can you possibly compete?

Blimey how is Spurs revenue so high?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Sounds like you have hit the after Christmas blues early Bruce. You are of course correct though given the situation and regulations in play. We need a state type benefactor who will give us massive amount of sponsorship. This probably won't happen but it's not all doom and gloom, if we sort ourselves out a cup might be possible.

It's all kinds of wrong to even think that the only way Everton can possibly win is to become the play thing of a dodgy petrostate. If that's what it takes, do we really want that?

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Blimey how is Spurs revenue so high?

It's that NFL money.

 

[Lobster Johnson]

It's all kinds of wrong to even think that the only way Everton can possibly win is to become the play thing of a dodgy petrostate. If that's what it takes, do we really want that?

Not for me, Clive. I think I'd find something else to do with my weekends at that point.

 

[andy4efc]

Blimey how is Spurs revenue so high?

Quite a few factors id imagine

London
Big club (like us, but instead of wasting money, when we were level pegging, they progressed properly and we became a bombscare.
New stadium with world class facilities. Will be used daily id imagine for all sorts of stuff.
Champions League football. (Dont forget a nice big wedge provided for that)
Chairman doesnt sell anyone cheap, notorious for it.
Non Football events - NFL will be a tidy income.

 

[andy4efc]

When comparing ourselves to Spurs, which for me is a good comparison considering we were both in a race with each other for what, 2/3/4 years at one point, off the top of my head early 10's era? maybe a little later?

Don't forget just how cheap nad poorly run our club has been, both before and since kenright sold. Our stadium will increase revenue loads, through matchday, hospitality, non-matchday events such as conferences/concerts and what not, but ultimately improved on the field performance will boost that revenue as well. It's unlikely, because we know Everton to be a horror show and it feels impossible to compete near hte top, but it's not impossible. We took slow steps forwards with Moyes, and while his time went stale and was probably time for a change, we have self imploded and now are back at that stage that we have to take slow steps again.

Even Newcastle, who now are the richest club, cant do it all overnight, they've taken some big steps quite quickly, but it wont be always be that quick for them.

 

[degsy]

If Moshiri sold out tomorrow...to any one...even for a tenner and a handshake.
For good or bad - we've still got the same squad, manager and DoF.

 

[Neiler]

A Hard no.

 

[catcherintherye]

It's really not though, is it? I mean we could have Jack Welch in charge and it wouldn't make up a shortfall of £500 million. We saw that with Ancelotti. Arguably the most celebrated manager of the last 30 years and he couldn't turn a fairly average squad into world beaters.

That's very true. The gap remains big, though as a proportion has stayed consistent. Long term the only way to success is to generate more money.

Moshiri doesnt have access to plug the gap, and the current board spend what little we have badly.

In lay terms, if we spent what little we had better, we would improve.

Ancelotti took an average squad to the cusp of CL qualification. A few less injuries we maybe have got there. I would like to see the club ran better, otherwise we will get relegated.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

That's very true. The gap remains big, though as a proportion has stayed consistent. Long term the only way to success is to generate more money.

Moshiri doesnt have access to plug the gap, and the current board spend what little we have badly.

In lay terms, if we spent what little we had better, we would improve.

Ancelotti took an average squad to the cusp of CL qualification. A few less injuries we maybe have got there. I would like to see the club ran better, otherwise we will get relegated.

Oh for sure, management plays a role in terms of all those clubs from 7th downwards that are in much the same ballpark. We're an example of how terrible management trends towards the bottom of that pack. Ironically, financial fair play has not made play fair at all as it's just entrenched the advantage of clubs who already generate huge revenues. Newcastle will see that. They might get there in the end, but they can't jump up rapidly as Chelsea and City did when they got wealthy backers.

I can't help but feel that a European Super League is inevitable really as the clubs that would go into that have pretty much got their domestic leagues sewn up so there's very little point to those any more. When you know who will win the league before a ball is kicked then it all becomes rather pointless, doesn't it?

 

[Lobster Johnson]

Oh for sure, management plays a role in terms of all those clubs from 7th downwards that are in much the same ballpark. We're an example of how terrible management trends towards the bottom of that pack. Ironically, financial fair play has not made play fair at all as it's just entrenched the advantage of clubs who already generate huge revenues. Newcastle will see that. They might get there in the end, but they can't jump up rapidly as Chelsea and City did when they got wealthy backers.

I can't help but feel that a European Super League is inevitable really as the clubs that would go into that have pretty much got their domestic leagues sewn up so there's very little point to those any more. When you know who will win the league before a ball is kicked then it all becomes rather pointless, doesn't it?

I'd positively welcome the ESL at this point, with the proviso that you forgo domestic competition and participating clubs just turn themselves into TV entities.

Domestic football would be loads better/more interesting.

 

[Neiler]

We are absolutely going to sweat the new ground and maximise our income. We’ve really fallen behind from 00s to the teens we were in the top 6 for match day revenue now we are 17th.

That’s the reason for the ground, we are going to sweat it hard financially, like it or not this will mean going to the match is going to be considerably more expensive like it or not. We are currently one of the cheapest to go see a game. It’s not just watching the match, it will also be hospitality and better access to bars etc at the new ground. We will get an increase in revenue, but honestly costs are going to rise and we will pay for it. Increased revenue like it or not means increased prices.

Expect our average figure in the table below to jump when we move.

There is actually a really good analysis of this in of all places the Daily Mail.

REVEALED: How much YOUR club makes per fan on matchday

The study by the University of Liverpool reveals a huge disparity in what top flight teams take on match days, raanging from Chelsea at £1,648 to Burnley at just over £300 per fan per season.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Premier League Matchday Income Per Fan Per Season

Club	2018/19	2008/09	% Change
1.Chelsea	£1,648	£1,563	+5%
2.Arsenal	£1,607	£1,201	+34%
3.Liverpool	£1,589	£974	+63%
4.Tottenham Hotspur	£1,506	£775	+94%
5.Manchester United	£1,488	£1,445	+3%
6.Manchester City	£1,016	£358	+184%
7.Brighton	£609	xx	xx
8.Southampton	£565	xx	xx
9,Newcastle	£486	£595	-18%
10.Bournemouth	£474	xx	xx
11.West Ham	£465	£523	-11%
12.Watford	£461	xx	xx
13.Leicester	£461	xx	xx
14.Fulham	£438	£460	+9%
15.Crystal Palace	£416	xx	xx
16.Wolves	£372	xx	xx
17.Everton	£366	£614	-45%
18.Cardiff City	£332	xx	xx
19.Burnley	£308	xx	xx
20.Huddersfield	£215	xx	xx
Source: University of Liverpool xx = no comparable figures in the Premier League

 

[catcherintherye]

Oh for sure, management plays a role in terms of all those clubs from 7th downwards that are in much the same ballpark. We're an example of how terrible management trends towards the bottom of that pack. Ironically, financial fair play has not made play fair at all as it's just entrenched the advantage of clubs who already generate huge revenues. Newcastle will see that. They might get there in the end, but they can't jump up rapidly as Chelsea and City did when they got wealthy backers.

I can't help but feel that a European Super League is inevitable really as the clubs that would go into that have pretty much got their domestic leagues sewn up so there's very little point to those any more. When you know who will win the league before a ball is kicked then it all becomes rather pointless, doesn't it?

I think a Chelsea/City style rise is impossible now. Newcastle are riding the Crest of a wave, but we are 15 games in, let's see what happens over 38 games. They are very close to being at the edge of FFP.

Our issue is ostensibly:
1) We broke with an approach that worked. We spent money well. We had a low expectation, low manager turnover who took a cautious approach. We didnt evolve this, but sought to build something different from scratch.

2) We acted like we had unlimited, or game changing money when we didnt. We now have very little money.

3) We entrusted a management team to oversee this who were already weak, and had no idea how to improve a more ambitious business.

An American owner could help us resolve some of these contradictions.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Mark Noble: ‘If a top club wants Declan Rice they’re just going to pay for him, full stop’

West Ham’s sporting director tells Donald McRae about competing with giants, selfishness in his youth and why he expects more countries to buy clubs

www.theguardian.com

“Whether you think things will get dicey at West Ham – and I don’t believe they will – we just can’t cope financially with the top teams. We can try our hardest to recruit the best players that the top five or six don’t buy – and we might get lucky with a few that slip through the net – but you can’t compete with these teams. They’re financially too powerful. If a top club wants Declan Rice they’re just going to pay for him, full stop. You’ve seen it with Jack Grealish, with the best players. If the top boys want them, we ain’t got a chance.”

It's not right is it? You've got a club there (West Ham) pretty much saying that it's impossible to compete with the top 6.

 

[mahermi1]

Blimey how is Spurs revenue so high?

And how are we seventh ? Surely West ham, newish free ground and Europe are above us for a start.