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2019/20 Andre Gomes

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toffee-L said:
Son has to live with the consequences of his actions, he had zero intent to injure Gomes but had 100% intent to foul him - so there is no surprise that there is so much conflict of opinion with regards to this.

If there is any positive to come from this extremely bleak moment, it may make players more aware about deliberately fouling people in overly aggressive manners. Weirdly, one of the first things to come to mind after this incident was one Andre Gomes was involved in last season when he quite brutally and very deliberately stamped on the ankle of Alexander Mitrovic.

I have no doubt that Gomes was completely wound up by Mitrovic's antics during the game and it was sheer petulance that made him think "I'm going to leave one on this idiot", but he could have easily done more damage to Mitrovic than intended - which should maybe give the people on here who are giving Son both barrels a little reminder that the type of 'rush of blood' moments that Son did are not too far away from being committed by our own players, including the one who got so unfortunately injured on Sunday.

Son has to live with the guilt of what his actions have caused. I don't believe that the challenge in general was worthy of a red card, because it was more cynical than violent, but in isolation sometimes you just can't look past the outcome of a decision you make.

The wider media campaign placing Son as a victim is something I take issue with however - there is only one victim in this piece and absolutely nobody should lose sight of that. Sadly, it seems the non-Everton media fraternity already have...
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Very difficult to make sense of all this,as you rightly say Gomes was guilty of a much worse tackle on Mitrovic,and Coleman who suffered a terrible leg break went right over the ball the other week at Burnley. Truly is a "funny old game".
 
toffee-L said:
Son has to live with the consequences of his actions, he had zero intent to injure Gomes but had 100% intent to foul him - so there is no surprise that there is so much conflict of opinion with regards to this.

If there is any positive to come from this extremely bleak moment, it may make players more aware about deliberately fouling people in overly aggressive manners. Weirdly, one of the first things to come to mind after this incident was one Andre Gomes was involved in last season when he quite brutally and very deliberately stamped on the ankle of Alexander Mitrovic.

I have no doubt that Gomes was completely wound up by Mitrovic's antics during the game and it was sheer petulance that made him think "I'm going to leave one on this idiot", but he could have easily done more damage to Mitrovic than intended - which should maybe give the people on here who are giving Son both barrels a little reminder that the type of 'rush of blood' moments that Son did are not too far away from being committed by our own players, including the one who got so unfortunately injured on Sunday.

Son has to live with the guilt of what his actions have caused. I don't believe that the challenge in general was worthy of a red card, because it was more cynical than violent, but in isolation sometimes you just can't look past the outcome of a decision you make.

The wider media campaign placing Son as a victim is something I take issue with however - there is only one victim in this piece and absolutely nobody should lose sight of that. Sadly, it seems the non-Everton media fraternity already have...
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How do you know what Sons' intentions were? We can only know what he did and what the outcome of his actions were. That may read like an attack on you, but it's not. I'm just trying to point out that we never really know what people are thinking when they do something like that.

I have no ill-will towards Son but, like yourself, I'm not happy with the outpour of sympathy he's receiving from the media and such.
 
Lanolin said:
It was a horrible, snide, cowardly challenge. He didn't know that it was going to do what it did, but his sole intention was to hurt Gomes as retribution for a previous coming together. His reaction was undoubtedly in no small part due to the fact that he knew he'd been reckless, and that actually it wasn't 'one of those things' but rather a direct consequence of him being a petulant little beaut. Absolutely no sympathy for the bloke whatsoever.
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He actually snaps out at Iwobi in the seconds before too. He'd lost his head. It happens. I have sympathy for him in the sense that he definitely didn't mean to do it and I fully understand he will feel awful about it. But he did to go to do Gomes one way or the other. And these are the consequences. Spurs and Son don't have to suffer them. Gomes will be fortunate if he ever plays again at anywhere near his highest level. Depending on what's shattered inside his ankle (which obviously only the doctors will know) we have no idea what the repercussions could be. Best case is probably 4-6 months, being very, very optimistic. Worst case could easily be 18 months to 24.

Again, it goes back to Atkinson and VAR.

Son dived. He should have been booked for simulation. There is absolutely no reason why he shouldn't have been.

He gets booked, and he's very unlikely to be flinging himself about like he was.

He's gone in angry to take a booking. I'd like to see more of our players doing that when other teams are on the break. But the aggression has made him dive in when he was never gonna do anything but cause hurt and injury.
 
Cels said:
How do you know what Sons' intentions were? We can only know what he did and what the outcome of his actions were. That may read like an attack on you, but it's not. I'm just trying to point out that we never really know what people are thinking when they do something like that.

I have no ill-will towards Son but, like yourself, I'm not happy with the outpour of sympathy he's receiving from the media and such.
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Because we watched the match it was clear as day he was up to retaliate for a challenge litterally moments before.

Sick of people acting all Seamus Coleman trying to be the good guys here - he didn't mean to break his ankle but he definitely went to foul him!
 
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So he had surgery at Aintree.... I hope he had one particular foot and ankle surgeon who works there.

I wouldn’t let the others operate on a cadaver, never mind a professional athlete.
 

Key board warriors online yesterday abusing our players for consoling spurs distraught players. Obviously none have played the game, which is a worry because the spout such knowledge to us all. Every player would have been distraught on that pitch and anyone on here who has witnessed the noise of a human leg breaking will agree.
 
GwladysPhil said:
Because we watched the match it was clear as day he was up to retaliated but a challenge litterally moments before.

Sick of people acting all Seamus Coleman trying to be the good guys here - he didn't mean to break his ankle but he definitely went to foul him!
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Yes, well let's stick to the point I was making and not whatever the hell it is you're trying to do.

I never said that Son had no intention to foul Gomes. What I'm saying is that the only person who knows if Son intended to injure Gomes, is Son. Not you, me, or anyone else. Obviously I don't believe that Son, or anyone, could have envisaged what would happen after the foul, but that does not mean Son had no intention of injuring Gomes in some way, shape, or form when he made the tackle.

Can't comment on the 'Seamus Coleman' part of your post, because I don't see the connection with what I posted. I'm sure it's very intriguing though.
 

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