Anichebe Bust Up

[ToxtethBlue]

Agreed.

Fellaini was proper [Poor language removed] last night anyway.

Cahill is still superb, mind.

Agreed.

We need a bit of mobility up there, someone who offers an outlet down the channels or in behind. It'd be interesting to see Jo and Cahill or Jo and Saha.

Jo supposedly drops deeper and outwide so maybe he could play off Cahill.

 

[Cal]

Agreed.

We need a bit of mobility up there, someone who offers an outlet down the channels or in behind. It'd be interesting to see Jo and Cahill or Jo and Saha.

Jo supposedly drops deeper and outwide so maybe he could play off Cahill.

I'd like to see Cahill and Jo. Hope we do on Saturday to be honest.

But it may mean Mikel moving out wide as Fellaini may be dropped to CM and Arteta in for Osman?

Really cba.

I can't see Jo starting anyway as he's not match fit.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

I'd like to see Cahill and Jo. Hope we do on Saturday to be honest.

But it may mean Mikel moving out wide as Fellaini may be dropped to CM and Arteta in for Osman?

Really cba.

I can't see Jo starting anyway as he's not match fit.

Jo should start, it's a must. We'll end up getting burned out if we keep playing the same players. I hope Moyes realises this. It's a home game against an average side, one or two changes won't be too bad.

Fellaini and Neville in the middle is a big no for me, Arteta must be in there. If not Arteta then Leon Osman who despite being average outwide always does a good job in the middle alongside a defensive midfielder.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

First of all, Anichebe is young and can understanderbly get a bit upset. But he has to learn and grow up. Clearly needed to be taken down a peg or two. We all know or should know about Moyes and discipline. HE was obviously quite prepared to sacrifice the game by leaving our only fit striker out of the squad (we do not know for sure if he was) that is the measure of how tough Moyes is. We have seen instances in the past of his resolution to show who is Boss.

As for Felaini, apparently he was carrying an injured ankle which may explain his lead footedness.

To make room for Jo, it has to be Osman who steps down with Ateta in CM and flanked by Moro and Neville.

 

[BlackToffee]

Sorry, BlackToffee, but your comment is just as lazy and offensive as the Israelis who label any questioning of what is happening in Gaza with the slur of anti-semitism.

Victor is lazy when he gets challenged, tries to use his body strength to win the challenge, fails and falls to the floor waving his hands in the air for a non-existent foul, while the defender sets up an attack under no pressure. He is lazy when he saunters into "blocking" lanes rather than closing a defender down with pressure, a la Cahill or Vaughan.

As mentioned above, Yakubu and Berbatov (that pesky white Bulgarian melon-muncher, eh?) can share the same attributes (not necessarily with the hand-waving and in Yakubu's case I don't think it is particularly laziness but more a switching off for a while). They do score goals, though, so it tends to be forgiven.

And it's certainly not something I saw in Anichebe's game during the UEFA campaign last year, so it's not as if people having been labelling him like that just because he is who he is.

There's enough racism still existing in football - and clinging to our own reputation - without you finding examples where it doesn't exist. Or are you the only permitted arbiter?

We're not exactly a Forum full of 'Big Rons', I think you may be doing a disservice, Vic's workrate has nothing to do with his complexion and everything to do with his attitude... as for examples, falling over when breathed upon while in a shooting position; throwing his arms out in crushing despair when a ball is played a couple of feet ahead / to the side of him rather than running for and winning the bugger... that type of thing.

It's immensely frustrating, because when he can be arsed, he really can put himself about and win the ball and hold it up well, but he always seems to be looking for the foul rather than the opportunity.

Talented.... but problems up top.

First, yes, I am probably being sensitive when a Black player is associated with the word "lazy" To me it has strong racist connotations. I won't apologise for feeling that way.

The first example above can be called many things, and yes, lazy maybe one of them. Why not misplaced aggression? Immaturity, where he seems to want to pick a fight where none is needed.

Again, falling over etc. Does that make somone lazy?

Are Berbatov or Yakubu lazy? Heaven knows. They are not as hard working as their team mates that we can agree on. Lazy implies someone who doesn't care, or can't be arsed, rather than can't do.

The advantage with Berba and Yak is that their work rate is made up by their scoring rate, similar to Lineker who, according to Sharpy didn't train all week, came out and knocked the goals in for us.

For my tuppence worth, when asked to step up Vic has done so. The jump to main striker maybe too much for him as yet and a loan to a championship side would make or break him.

If he really does believe that he is ready to be our main striker, he is sadly mistaken. But any player, whatever their colour who is "lazy" should be shipped out asap.

Finally, no, I am not the arbiter of race related issues on this or any other forum. I have a view as well as anyone else and all i am doing is expressing that view.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

First of all, Anichebe is young and can understanderbly get a bit upset. But he has to learn and grow up. Clearly needed to be taken down a peg or two. We all know or should know about Moyes and discipline. HE was obviously quite prepared to sacrifice the game by leaving our only fit striker out of the squad (we do not know for sure if he was) that is the measure of how tough Moyes is. We have seen instances in the past of his resolution to show who is Boss.

As for Felaini, apparently he was carrying an injured ankle which may explain his lead footedness.

To make room for Jo, it has to be Osman who steps down with Ateta in CM and flanked by Moro and Neville.

How does that work, Fellaini and Neville outwide?

 

[Robert Jarvis]

No not out wide, in what I describe in terms of old football, Left Half and Right Half.

 

[Andriy.EFC]

Never good enough anyway. With his limited skill he would need a very good attitude and work rate to make it at this Club but he seems to think that he's god's gift to football.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

It'll be interesting. Van der Meyde, Castillo, Jacobsen, Anichebe, Jo and Valente could all potentially leave. Maybe even Ruddy or Turner. Say what you want about these players but they are squad players, you do need a squad.

I just hope Moyes is given the funds to replace these players aswell as going for his main targets. Somehow I doubt it. I expect Victor to stay and Jacobsen and maybe Nuno to get one year deals.

 

[Cal]

It'll be interesting. Van der Meyde, Castillo, Jacobsen, Anichebe, Jo and Valente could all potentially leave. Maybe even Ruddy or Turner. Say what you want about these players but they are squad players, you do need a squad.

I just hope Moyes is given the funds to replace these players aswell as going for his main targets. Somehow I doubt it. I expect Victor to stay and Jacobsen and maybe Nuno to get one year deals.

Valente isn't happy with the lack of 1st team football. He'll be off to Portugal to finish his career in the summer.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Valente isn't happy with the lack of 1st team football. He'll be off to Portugal to finish his career in the summer.

True, I read that.

Maybe with Lescott becoming a full time centre back he'll be promised more football, I hope so. I like Nuno.

 

[Goat]

Valente isn't happy with the lack of 1st team football. He'll be off to Portugal to finish his career in the summer.

Is Nuno fit again now?

 

[Nebbiolo]

First, yes, I am probably being sensitive when a Black player is associated with the word "lazy" To me it has strong racist connotations. I won't apologise for feeling that way.

I don't think he meant it like that, but you're right in what you say. Such connotations have existed, and probably still do in certain quarters. So certainly no need to apologise for mentioning it.

 

[Number_25]

Bye Bye Anichebe!

Last time we'll see him in the colors of our great club.

 

[BlackToffee]

Valente isn't happy with the lack of 1st team football. He'll be off to Portugal to finish his career in the summer.

According to the OS he's injured and won't be back until the spring. If he stopped being injured he might be in a position to compete for a place. Or am I being too harsh?