2020/21 Anthony Gordon

[BigDuncTributeBand]

I get what your saying but the game is about tactical nous and positioning when you haven’t got the ball. He will only improve by playing for sure. For every successful weaving run he does in training he may lose the ball numerous times in dangerous positions . The negatives may outweigh the positives hence why he doesn’t get a lot of game time.

You’re right, I mean there is a balance and it’s been the death knell of young players like Lookman, Blasic for example - no doubt about ability/potential going forward but Koeman didn’t trust them on the tactical side of the game out of possession.

It’s just a bit odd to hold it against a young guy when you have have senior players like Siggi, Gomes, Walcott, Bernard, Iwobi (until recent upsurge) Schnederlin, sure there’s probably more who’ve been shocking in terms of getting back into shape, working out of possession, tracking runners and continued to selected

 

[TheBigIguana]

Yes he will learn from playing, but again I'm just answering the point you're making. You can learn in training what you need to do off the ball, and you can improve your fitness and understanding of what is expected of you. It's fine to say you'd rather he got experience of first team football, but it is clearly incorrect to say you can't learn those things in training, you absolutely can. It's why not all players who come into the side suffer the same problem.

I don't remember a young winger who hasn't been given the whole "yeah but will he track back?" deal if I'm being honest.

 

[TheBigIguana]

You’re right, I mean there is a balance and it’s been the death knell of young players like Lookman, Blasic for example - no doubt about ability/potential going forward but Koeman didn’t trust them on the tactical side of the game out of possession.

It’s just a bit odd to hold it against a young guy when you have have senior players like Siggi, Gomes, Walcott, Bernard, Iwobi (until recent upsurge) Schnederlin, sure there’s probably more who’ve been shocking in terms of getting back into shape, working out of possession, tracking runners and continued to selected

I'd argue that if you can't get talented players into a spot where they can handle the tactics required then it is poor management. It might not happen overnight obviously but punting on talent because they are questionable at something that isn't their main use is not a great practice.

 

[Philw]

You're the one who waded in replying to me you oddball.

Hi Donald....

Indeed.

I am condescending to people like you - who yesterday was telling me and others to learn to read, 'dim' and 'very very dumb'.

Hey ho, what can I do? You act dumb and don't read peoples posts properly, I call you on it. That's not being condescending, that's calling a spade a spade.

I've made you look a bit of a fool there boyo and you're now squirming by playing the victim card.

Another Trump calling card, delusional assertations. Should I drink some bleach to get rid of Covid?

Oh the irony, considering that’s exactly what you’re doing, multi quoting people, insulting them

Didn't know multi-quoting people was a sign of throwing a fit. Whoopsie!

Yes he will learn from playing, but again I'm just answering the point you're making. You can learn in training what you need to do off the ball, and you can improve your fitness and understanding of what is expected of you. It's fine to say you'd rather he got experience of first team football, but it is clearly incorrect to say you can't learn those things in training, you absolutely can. It's why not all players who come into the side suffer the same problem.

Ask any sportsman in any field, and they will tell you that training cannot fully replicate what actually happens on the pitch/field of play etc. It is an irrefutable truth that training cannot fully prepare you, and there are certain things you can only learn by playing

 

[Lanolin]

Hi Donald....

Hey ho, what can I do? You act dumb and don't read peoples posts properly, I call you on it. That's not being condescending, that's calling a spade a spade.

Another Trump calling card, delusional assertations. Should I drink some bleach to get rid of Covid?

Didn't know multi-quoting people was a sign of throwing a fit. Whoopsie!

Ask any sportsman in any field, and they will tell you that training cannot fully replicate what actually happens on the pitch/field of play etc. It is an irrefutable truth that training cannot fully prepare you, and there are certain things you can only learn by playing

If I’d said there was nothing you could learn from playing that would have been a worthwhile reply, but as I didn’t, it’s not. There are some things you can only learn by playing, fitness is not one of them and nor is positional discipline.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Hi Donald....

Hey ho, what can I do? You act dumb and don't read peoples posts properly, I call you on it. That's not being condescending, that's calling a spade a spade.

Another Trump calling card, delusional assertations. Should I drink some bleach to get rid of Covid?

Didn't know multi-quoting people was a sign of throwing a fit. Whoopsie!

Ask any sportsman in any field, and they will tell you that training cannot fully replicate what actually happens on the pitch/field of play etc. It is an irrefutable truth that training cannot fully prepare you, and there are certain things you can only learn by playing

You're a strange egg lad.

Have a nice evening.

 

[Philw]

If I’d said there was nothing you could learn from playing that would have been a worthwhile reply, but as I didn’t, it’s not. There are some things you can only learn by playing, fitness is not one of them and nor is positional discipline.

And once again, fitness and match fitness are not the same thing, and match fitness can only truly be built by playing. It's part of why we have preseason friendlies, not just training for 2 months. Positional discipline I would agree you can learn a lot in training, put again putting it in to practice in real matches is necessary to fulfill the training.

You're a strange egg lad.

Have a nice evening.

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.

 

[Lanolin]

And once again, fitness and match fitness are not the same thing, and match fitness can only truly be built by playing. It's part of why we have preseason friendlies, not just training for 2 months. Positional discipline I would agree you can learn a lot in training, put again putting it in to practice in real matches is necessary to fulfill the training.

Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.

Nope. You can only build up what I would call ‘match sharpness’ by playing. What Gordon referenced was very clearly fitness related, not sharpness. He said he tired early on. You can 100% prevent that from happening by training. It’s why marathon runners don’t run marathons every day in training, there are other ways of ensuring your fitness is at the right level.

 

[BlueStevie35]

Hi Donald....

Hey ho, what can I do? You act dumb and don't read peoples posts properly, I call you on it. That's not being condescending, that's calling a spade a spade.

Another Trump calling card, delusional assertations. Should I drink some bleach to get rid of Covid?

Didn't know multi-quoting people was a sign of throwing a fit. Whoopsie!

Ask any sportsman in any field, and they will tell you that training cannot fully replicate what actually happens on the pitch/field of play etc. It is an irrefutable truth that training cannot fully prepare you, and there are certain things you can only learn by playing

What is your problem, seriously?

 

[kenada_blue]

Bit embarrassing to not be fit 4 months into the season. I understand his match fitness wouldn't be there as he's not playing but he should be fit as fiddle with natural fitness.

He is fit but it's about being fit for a certain level of football. Look at how many minutes he's played as a 19 year old going from under 23s regularly to barely anything now. Then being thrown in to games against teams with players who have 10+ games under their belt.

The lad wasn't blowing or anything (remember Kean against United last year?) but being able to keep an intensity level at both ends of the pitch can be tough if you've barely done it.

It's good that he's admitted it so he knows what he needs to do. But it's not like he's completely out of shape.

 

[Paul Rideout]

Ask any sportsman in any field, and they will tell you that training cannot fully replicate what actually happens on the pitch/field of play etc.

Ice skating & gymnastics are 2 sports where you literally fully replicate what happens on the ‘field of play’ in practise.

 

[blueblue]

I think that CA has a very high bar for Anthony Gordon to reach before he gets to play regularly and he hasn't reached that bar yet.

We know that Italian managers place as much value on defending as attacking and I think young Anthony is learning some very difficult lessons at the moment.

I believe this in part may explain his apparent drop off in form as he struggles to become more of an all round player... he was always able to attack but is now learning how to add defensive work and at the moment he has not been able to master what is required of him completely.

He is not such an incredible talent that he can be excused defensive work because of what he brings in an attacking sense.

We must be patient and in the long run we will have a better all round player.

 

[granter79]

I think that CA has a very high bar for Anthony Gordon to reach before he gets to play regularly and he hasn't reached that bar yet.

We know that Italian managers place as much value on defending as attacking and I think young Anthony is learning some very difficult lessons at the moment.

I believe this in part may explain his apparent drop off in form as he struggles to become more of an all round player... he was always able to attack but is now learning how to add defensive work and at the moment he has not been able to master what is required of him completely.

He is not such an incredible talent that he can be excused defensive work because of what he brings in an attacking sense.

We must be patient and in the long run we will have a better all round player.

Spot on this . I like the way Gordon doesn't seem to throw the toys out of the pram and takes it on board.

Point about the high bar is very true. This is why he trusts certain players ahead if the younger ones atm.

Plenty to come from him and he will bet better. Hopefully starts Sunday and answers some of the points raised in a positive manner

 

[grevenitipunx]

The lad is showing understanding, patience and a fighting spirit that he must have in order to succeed. I think he's smart enough, way smarter than the previous "thought off wonderkids" we had. He's more disciplined than any of them, and shows a positive attitude towards following the guidelines set by the coaching team and Carlo himself. I think he will make it as a Premier League regular starter in the years to come.
Keep it up Anthony, CL level is the bar here now. Hope you get there soon.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I really don't think this is a Manager Vs Player situation

I think some on different sides of the argument are kind of presenting it as that (And even I might have joked about it now and then), but I really don't think there's any of that going on

I don't think there's any animosity here, from either Mr. Ancelotti or Flash. If there was then Gordon wouldn't have been given the minutes he's had this season already, regardless of our squad depth issues, nor would he have worked as hard when he did get them

A manager isn't going to select a player he hates and a player isn't going to bust a gut for a manager he hates either. I think we can put any thoughts of them not liking one another or there being any angst to bed