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2020/21 Anthony Gordon

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Lanolin said:
That's just so untrue though, seriously. It's really, really basic thinking. I've gone over this ground so many times but there isn't a one size fits all approach to development, it's just plain stupidity to pretend there is. If Gordon plays tomorrow he'll have played in 1/3 of our games, it's not like he's being frozen out and is going to forget how to play football. I've said before, if this continues long term and he gets to the end of this season having only made another 4 or 5 appearances i'll be agreeing with you that we may not have handled it well. There's no reason to suppose that he won't have played another 15 times though, which really isn't bad for a player of his age at the top level. It's far too early to be saying he's been handled badly.
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He's been out of the u23s since early December of last year. He's played 600 or so minutes since then. That's about 55 a month. That's bad handling of a young player.
 
Lanolin said:
Yeah that sums up my feelings on it pretty well. In a nutshell I think he probably deserves a shot based on the fact that other people have been poor, rather than because he's looked brilliant, if that makes sense. I'm not commenting on his potential at all, just on where I see him right at this moment.
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Does not do any harm to give him e of a chance than a measly few minutes near game end.
 
Lanolin said:
Well I mean in terms of having any sort of tangible impact on games really. Not even necessarily goals and assists, just a clear impact on our play. He came on at Southampton and I'd say he was an improvement on what went before him, but he didn't exactly change the game. It's not like suddenly he was zooming past people and had them at panic stations, he was just slightly more effective than Iwobi had been. That's been a feature in his appearances I think, he's tended to look like a good footballer without ever really making me think 'get him in the team right now'. As a comparison i'd think of someone like Deulofeu in his first season. He could be frustrating as hell, but he'd often come on and cause serious problems for teams. I just haven't seen that from Gordon yet, but again, there's plenty of time for that.
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Tbf we played a large part of the 2nd half at Southampton with 10 men
 
mikeh72 said:
I’m sorry, this is a player who has played in more or less every game for us for the past 3 seasons. I think we know what he’s about. Not even close to being a comparison, we’re talking about a youngster deserving at least a bit of a chance here.
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But you're missing the point. My feelings on Gylfi are the same as yours, they have been for 4 years, but the point is that he (and Iwobi, and Bernard) all looked good in the same games as Gordon did. So it's not that crazy to think that Ancelotti may not have been completely convinced that doing it against League 2 side was enough to mean he could do it in the league.

The hyperbole in here is absolutely ridiculous. 2 weeks ago we were top of the league unbeaten in 8 games, with the front 3 running riot. Would you rather we'd given him a run out instead of James in one of those games and lost? I'm going to guess not, because I know you've got a brain (there are other posters who i'm less convinced about on that score). So all this hand wringing is basically because he hasn't played in 2 (TWO) games. Would I have picked him against Southampton? Yes. Do I think it's an unfathomable piece of management to pick a £35m player with 50 international caps instead, when he'd also impressed in a couple of run outs this season? No. Would I have picked him against Newcastle? Again, yes. Am I that surprised that the manager might have decided that playing 2 players with a grand total of 4 league starts between them on the left hand side might be a risk he didn't want to take? Also no.

Again, if this continues in the long run then i'll be asking questions myself, but the season is seven games old. It's a massive kneejerk to start saying he's not being given a chance already.
 

Lanolin said:
But you're missing the point. My feelings on Gylfi are the same as yours, they have been for 4 years, but the point is that he (and Iwobi, and Bernard) all looked good in the same games as Gordon did. So it's not that crazy to think that Ancelotti may not have been completely convinced that doing it against League 2 side was enough to mean he could do it in the league.

The hyperbole in here is absolutely ridiculous. 2 weeks ago we were top of the league unbeaten in 8 games, with the front 3 running riot. Would you rather we'd given him a run out instead of James in one of those games and lost? I'm going to guess not, because I know you've got a brain (there are other posters who i'm less convinced about on that score). So all this hand wringing is basically because he hasn't played in 2 (TWO) games. Would I have picked him against Southampton? Yes. Do I think it's an unfathomable piece of management to pick a £35m player with 50 international caps instead, when he'd also impressed in a couple of run outs this season? No. Would I have picked him against Newcastle? Again, yes. Am I that surprised that the manager might have decided that playing 2 players with a grand total of 4 league starts between them on the left hand side might be a risk he didn't want to take? Also no.

Again, if this continues in the long run then i'll be asking questions myself, but the season is seven games old. It's a massive kneejerk to start saying he's not being given a chance already.
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But he hasn’t been given any opportunities in the league like all those players have, that’s the difference. If he’d been similarly stinking the place out like Sigurdsson and Iwobi and only turning up in the cup games, then I’d see why he wasn’t getting on the pitch. You can only impress in the games you’re actually on the pitch for. 10 minutes when 2-0 down to Southampton doesn’t count as an opportunity for me either.
 
mightymoyes said:
Tbf we played a large part of the 2nd half at Southampton with 10 men
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But for the 38th time, i'm not trying to criticise him. I'm not saying he should have come on and changed the game, I'm just saying the idea that he's being treated unfairly seems a bit over the top when you look at what he's actually done. If he'd come on and looked brilliant and then not got on the week after then I think there's more of a case to say hang on that's a bit wrong. As it is, he didn't do anything in the Southampton game that made me think 'well that's him pencilled in for next week then', so I wasn't as flabbergasted as some evidently were when he didn't get picked.
 
mikeh72 said:
But he hasn’t been given any opportunities in the league like all those players have, that’s the difference. If he’d been similarly stinking the place out like Sigurdsson and Iwobi and only turning up in the cup games, then I’d see why he wasn’t getting on the pitch. You can only impress in the games you’re actually on the pitch for. 10 minutes when 2-0 down to Southampton doesn’t count as an opportunity for me either.
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Well it was about 35 minutes, and Iwobi did get 2 assists after coming on in another league game, but apart from that...
 
Lanolin said:
But for the 38th time, i'm not trying to criticise him. I'm not saying he should have come on and changed the game, I'm just saying the idea that he's being treated unfairly seems a bit over the top when you look at what he's actually done. If he'd come on and looked brilliant and then not got on the week after then I think there's more of a case to say hang on that's a bit wrong. As it is, he didn't do anything in the Southampton game that made me think 'well that's him pencilled in for next week then', so I wasn't as flabbergasted as some evidently were when he didn't get picked.
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I know what you're saying but he's still treated differently to the likes of Iwobi who most people would agree has done even less with more time
 

mikeh72 said:
When was this? Remember him getting an assist against Brighton.
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Yeah you're right, I was thinking of his pass to Doucoure which ended in James scoring not Doucoure. Same principle applies though, he came on and had a positive impact. To be fair to him he did last week too. I don't rate him, I never have, but the point is just that it's not that unbelievable that he might be ahead of Gordon at the moment. I'm not saying Gordon shouldn't play or Iwobi should or anything like that, just that I don't see any reason to believe he's being mismanaged or treated unfairly.
 

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