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2022/23 Anthony Gordon

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Ultimately mate it comes back to your opinion of the quality of the player or potential and thats subjective - weve both made really good points.

I would however suggested the stat on chance creation is a bit misleading - look back over his games and how many have played with our starting centre forward - how can you create chances when we haven't had a centre forward of PL quality for the majority of his starting games with us - again context and environmental impact.

On the business side, overtly people get turned on by the big number of multiple million's - but that doesn't tell the whole story, the lad is on 10k a week, with no amortisation - costs the club 520k in costs a year - gold dust and gold dust in our financial position!

Compare that to the reported deal for Danjuma for 6 months, 2.5 mill loan fee to Villareal and 100k a week in wages.

Thats the reality of the business we are going to do and increasing our costs yet again for a short term fix. Making the same mistakes all over again mate.

This here doesn't really work mate. You can still create chances. If you're a CF relying on chances to score - i.e. Calvert-Lewin - then that's where what you're saying works. I think the fact one of our players tasked with doing that creating is Gordon is a big reason for our attacking issues. But coaching plays a big part too of course.

I like him as a player. He has some really good attributes that you can't teach but he lets himself down with simple things. That's not to say he can't improve, and for us to be in a position where we can't nurture that is a shame, but right now we just aren't, are we?

If we get £35m for him, it's pure profit because he's home grown. That really helps with P&L and hopefully allows us to spread the cost across 3-4 signings who right now might have more of an impact than Gordon.

The chances created stat is key because he's meant to be one of our attacking outlets yet creates very little. Yes, he's scored three goals, but 2 of them were in 2 successive games back in August and then 1 was a tap in v Palace. He's simply not been playing very well, even though there's plenty of caveats.

It's not just a short-term fix, either. Selling a homegrown player for such an initial fee, and then especially if there are add-ons on top of that, could really help clear P&L. Might even mean we can demand full whack for Pickford in the summer - assuming he's up for sale even if we don't go down - and it all adds up for the much-needed rebuild.

Also, Danjuma was never hitting £100k a week wage mate. He's on nowhere close to that at Villarreal. He might have had some heavy bonuses if he joined us, but Villarreal aren't throwing around 100k weekly wages, that's for sure.
 
Listen Gordon was always going to go as soon as the fans chased him, he started to believe his own publicity in the past year, Starboy nickname and the dress sense all changed as soon as he got into the team.

He's like every other young lad his age with money, a bloody entitled idiot. If he wants to leave his boyhood club then it's a no brainer for me, get rid immediately. And never let him come back
 
Ultimately mate it comes back to your opinion of the quality of the player or potential and thats subjective - weve both made really good points.

I would however suggested the stat on chance creation is a bit misleading - look back over his games and how many have played with our starting centre forward - how can you create chances when we haven't had a centre forward of PL quality for the majority of his starting games with us - again context and environmental impact.

On the business side, overtly people get turned on by the big number of multiple million's - but that doesn't tell the whole story, the lad is on 10k a week, with no amortisation - costs the club 520k in costs a year - gold dust and gold dust in our financial position!

Compare that to the reported deal for Danjuma for 6 months, 2.5 mill loan fee to Villareal and 100k a week in wages.

Thats the reality of the business we are going to do and increasing our costs yet again for a short term fix. Making the same mistakes all over again mate.

This here doesn't really work mate. You can still create chances. If you're a CF relying on chances to score - i.e. Calvert-Lewin - then that's where what you're saying works. I think the fact one of our players tasked with doing that creating is Gordon is a big reason for our attacking issues. But coaching plays a big part too of course.

I like him as a player. He has some really good attributes that you can't teach but he lets himself down with simple things. That's not to say he can't improve, and for us to be in a position where we can't nurture that is a shame, but right now we just aren't, are we?

If we get £35m for him, it's pure profit because he's home grown. That really helps with P&L and hopefully allows us to spread the cost across 3-4 signings who right now might have more of an impact than Gordon.

The chances created stat is key because he's meant to be one of our attacking outlets yet creates very little. Yes, he's scored three goals, but 2 of them were in 2 successive games back in August and then 1 was a tap in v Palace. He's simply not been playing very well, even though there's plenty of caveats.

It's not just a short-term fix, either. Selling a homegrown player for such an initial fee, and then especially if there are add-ons on top of that, could really help clear P&L. Might even mean we can demand full whack for Pickford in the summer - assuming he's up for sale even if we don't go down - and it all adds up for the much-needed rebuild.

Also, Danjuma was never hitting £100k a week wage mate. He's on nowhere close to that at Villarreal. He might have had some heavy bonuses if he joined us, but Villarreal aren't throwing around 100k weekly wages, that's for sure.

One other thing to counter here...

Id be shocked if he was only on £10k a week but in any case he only has 2 years left on his deal

Being called Starboy, number 10 shirt and the leaks emerging about him wanting to leave in the summer and coincidentally dropping off in form aftet the window closed...

...he'd either not sign an extension or he would be wanting to be our highest earner.


Tbh even if he wasnt hitting the improvement on goals/assists but was putting in the effort id still be hoping something would click for him

But the boy looks to have downed tools not to mention hasnt told the club he wants to extend and stay.

The real question would be is he worth £100k+ a week on a 5 year deal.

Or £35mil rising to £50mil with add ons to sign a replacement?
 

Have heard the same argument over and over again, year in year out, after we sold Lukaku, Stones, Barkley, Richarlison and here we are with Gordon - how's that approach working out for us..........

The first 3 were all sold within a similar time period and seeing we didn't get particularly much for Barkley not sure why he is in that list.

A few years later we were 2nd in the league at Christmas. So you could say that did work and had we got a full season out of James then who knows where we would have ended up.

We have of course been made to pay for that, not helped by bad decisions. However the biggest factor is we are hamstrung by FFP rules which meant that side had to be torn up and that is why when you get a chance to move on a player especially like Gordon where we isn't contributing a great deal and should be fairly easy to replace (unlike Rom) then you have to go for it.
 

Because it would be a terrible idea to just buy players without a manager in place.

I agree that if we were well run and had a identity/style of play we could buy players without a need for a manager to be in place and the dof could just buy them.

According to reports though we are looking at 4-5 managers that have been heavily linked and they rage from bielsa to allerdyce.

There's no point if we bring in a fast, high pressing forward whos 5'7 if we end up with allerdyce playing percentage football and hoofing it up to him is there.
 

Because it would be a terrible idea to just buy players without a manager in place.

I agree that if we were well run and had a identity/style of play we could buy players without a need for a manager to be in place and the dof could just buy them.

According to reports though we are looking at 4-5 managers that have been heavily linked and they rage from bielsa to allerdyce.

There's no point if we bring in a fast, high pressing forward whos 5'7 if we end up with allerdyce playing percentage football and hoofing it up to him is there.

That is an outdated way of thinking.
 
Some of the abuse he’s getting from fans is totally unwarranted.
It’s not, yes who wouldn’t want to go to Chelsea Or Newcastle now looking at the mess we’re in but an academy graduate who’s probably been looked after by the club for years and his boyhood club id like to see the passion and desire shown last season which is why I liked him last season had the right attitude and was his break through season, footballing wise wasn’t great, he’s chose go missing and sulk cause a move didn’t happen he clearly wanted a move before that stupid video of the fans around his car
 

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