Appeal for witnesses...

[trueblue84]

She's well and truly burned her bridges with the entire fanbase now. She can either come out and confirm the rumours, or come out and deny them. The lack of any evidence at all from a heavily policed stadium with hundreds of CCTV cameras is alarming to say the least.

Hard to blame her for it. She doesn't have to do anything, but the club absolutely should. They've left her and the majority of evertonians high and dry.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Hard to blame her for it. She doesn't have to do anything, but the club absolutely should. They've left her and the majority of evertonians high and dry.

Well, it's coming across (with zero evidence to confirm the claims) that she's allowing her name to be used to paint our fans in an awful light.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You're a clown. You started this by saying Everton were lying and playing a song for all the conspiracy theorists out there. In your comical world its you that needs to supply evidence of your allegation.



To downplay it. The whole thing is embarrasing. Nobody emerges well from such a stink. For the club it accentuates the narrative of fan disquiet. If I run a restaurant and there's an altercation with customers I don't want to get into every warped detail as ultimately mud sticks.

No need for the personal attacks. Keep it civil.

Just on this point you've made;

A major, long established public facing company has put something out there. The idea it's completely made up is insane.

I'm sure you've doubted who really owns the club? You've certainly referenced Usmanov's involvement? That same company have repeatedly denied any involvement.

For me, the whole Everton statement absolutely stinks.

If it happened, of course it's appalling and needs condemning from everyone. The club need to release the persons name, as they have with every other incident, whether a Lucozade bottle throw, a malicious comment towards Louis Saha or an assault on a female fan. Every other example I can think of, the club were brilliant in being on it immediately - acknowledgement of the incident, transparency and action named.

Here, for some reason they've waited 12 days, and scheduled a statement for 12:00. A statement that for me, lacks transparency and is entirely self serving to point fingers at Evertonians to undermine them.

A reminder - there's absolutely no requirement or obligation for any of Everton's board to attend a football fixture.

Why release this statement a few hours before protests? Why proactively brief favourable/receptive journalists? (where did the 'headlock' detail come from?)

Some of us remember the 'leaked emails' from many years back in how the club strategised to undermine fan concerns.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Hard to blame her for it. She doesn't have to do anything, but the club absolutely should. They've left her and the majority of evertonians high and dry.

IF she is complicit in the lie then she is equally culpable.

IF she has been thrown under the bus along with the support then she is equally a victim along side such.

There is the slim chance an unreported and seemingly unseen assault took place, and thats the part that clears all of this up very neatly.

 

[Yarrgh]

Here's the footage.

Marcel Brand must have found Bobby Elstone's sunbed before he left.

 

[Spadge Vernacular]

The timing of it seems deliberate which is crap as the media have dined out on it. Anyone releasing that info would, should have known that and it’s unfair on 99.9% of fans protesting sound to be smeared as one supposedly rabid fanbase.

I’m not comfortable however with victim shaming a female over an alleged assault until more details come out. Less so turning it into memes and conspiracies.

 

[Old Blue 2]

I havent made any slur, I've merely asked for evidence.

The club have not officially stated she was put in a headlock, but it has been leaked by them. I am asking for the club to either provide evidence for the allegation, or withdraw it.

You have stated that the its insane- akin to climate change denialism to suggest it may not have happened. Well climate change has thousands or experts, who have studied it over 50 years providing evidence to show it is.

I am asking you now, to provide evidence the headlock happened. If you cannot, you need to apologise for making unsubstantiated slurs.

And yes, I'm sure DBB is lovely, and yes we would all agree that nobody should come under physical attack. That's why it's really important that the alleged attack is substantiated, rather than you just assuming it happened, without seemingly any evidence to support it.

You cant just go round making allegations without evidence. So without the ludicrous tirade of irrelevance, please substantiate your assertion that DBB was placed in a headlock. There were up to 40,000 people in the area, so if it occurred that will be pretty simple to do. Or perhaps a police number for this assault?

Spot on. There is a legal tenet: He who asserts must prove.

We await the proof.

There are certain things concerning the alleged episode that just do not add up (in support of what you are saying, catcher):
1 Why wasn't the incident reported immediately to the Police, as this would appear to be a prima facie case of assault?; Is there an actual crime report with the Police? If so, when was it lodged?
2 Why didn't the person assaulted cry out for witnesses?
3 Question: was she alone? If not, what have ALL of the witnesses done in the intervening period? Nothing? I very much doubt that she would be alone in the main stand, if that is where the alleged assault took place.
4 Why wait from Tuesday 3rd January (the night of the Brighton game) until just before the Southampton game to announce the incident?
5 Given that it has been stated elsewhere on here by other members that the ground is covered by CCTV, where is the CCTV video evidence to back up the claim of assault?

Given that one of my duties when I was in work was criminal investigative work, the above 5 points come immediately to mind. They have to be the initial basis for any investigation. Also, the basic ground rules of investigation, ABC. Accept nothing; Believe no one; Check everything. You start with an open mind and a blank page. Has the club done that? I don't believe it has.

At present, (and this is only my conjecture) it appears that the allegation of assault only came out once it had been announced that protests against the board would be made at the Southampton game. An adjunct to my previous paragraph is that there is a logical pattern/path to everything - nothing is illogical. The protest announcement, the claim of alleged assault, the 'security' advice to the Board members not to attend, the empty seats in the Directors box, there is the logical path, friends...

 

[chicoazul]

IF she is complicit in the lie then she is equally culpable.

IF she has been thrown under the bus along with the support then she is equally a victim along side such.

There is the slim chance an unreported and seemingly unseen assault took place, and thats the part that clears all of this up very neatly.

Perhaps DBB didn’t press charges when asked to. Then someone other than her has weaponised and leaked it. Plausible.

Yet the memes and criticism are falling on the alleged female victim. Not a good optic.

 

[Rita_Poon]

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Don't let koeman see...

 

[allen]

This tweet is the best response I've seen to this so far.

I think it's a reasonable request.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Perhaps DBB didn’t press charges when asked to. Then someone other than her has weaponised and leaked it. Plausible.

Yet the memes and criticism are falling on the alleged female victim. Not a good optic.

The people (the supporters) that have been tainted with this half-assed allegation have their right to reply. Like the vast vast vast majority of instances surrounding the club they are fair game to be lampooned, if you want a serious and professional conversation lets see the leaders of Everton football club lead by example.

Until then, DBB and everyone else will continue to be a victim of this circus.

 

[Bristol Blue]

Everton fan just on talksport explaining the alleged headlock and what he and others apparently witnessed.

 

[kenada_blue]

This tweet is the best response I've seen to this so far.

I think it's a reasonable request.

It's fully is. Her Game Too getting binned off because the club won't relax fears about Hacksaw Jim Duggan roaming the directors box.

Shocking.

 

[kenada_blue]

Everton fan just on talksport explaining the alleged headlock and what he and others apparently witnessed.

Is this fan William K. Wright by any chance?

 

[Yarrgh]

If the club had any respect for the image of our fan base (it should) they need to either:

Provide evidence of this happening by saying person x has been arrested or appealing for more information
Or
Squash this rumour and say it didn’t happen and the club is investigating the source of the allegation

By saying nothing, they’re painting everyone in a terrible light and creating more hostility and division between club and fans.

If DBB was assaulted, there’s not a person here that wouldn’t condemn that action. The way it’s been put out there on the morning of a planned peaceful protest with no evidence and no police involvement sounds like a planned PR move to discredit our fans, plain and simple and I won’t see it otherwise until there is some proof.

+1.

Summed up perfectly.