Are we to blame?

[tommye]

Not saying it’s entirely the fans fault but the atmosphere of hysteria created by Evertonians is worse than Geordies, young players abused by fat dars or over hyped by FIFA obsessed millennials

 

[degsy]

Look at the poll and realise you’re damaging Everton you toxic dinosaur.

PS how you’re well deggers.

Spiffing old bean, spiffing, all except for this bally Ev stuff...where's Jeeves when you need him?
Sitting in the stands at Norwich with Cook no doubt.

 

[chicoazul]

To blame fans is the easy way out. The rot started 30 years ago and hasn’t been arrested. To expect the fans to still be eternally optimistic after lie after lie, false dawn after false dawn is laughable. The owner and board have the club they deserve, the fans absolutely do not.

We cannot excuse the hyper geordie hysteria of our fans sabotaging their own club. We must CRUSH them if we are to advance.

 

[kenada_blue]

Hamish of the Athletic will defo blame the fans

 

[chicoazul]

Hamish of the Athletic will defo blame the fans

I’ve heard of this charlatan mate. Hi x

 

[tommye]

I blame the wools in The St End and their hair grooming products.

He's looking at you @MikelsGoat

 

[Toffeelover]

100% I agree with this.

I myself have been guilty of going against Carlo and let the negativity in. I did not agree that he was what Everton needed at that time and has a feeling its a marriage that happened using over the top finances and would fail due to the huge amount of gash footballers combined with Carlo going unquestioned for months due to his stature.

If you take a wild guess, maybe 50% of Evertonians would now be 40 years or more which means the grew up knowing Everton were boss in 80s and can't let go of that past and get the entitlement feeling.

The toxicity around Benitez is well documented, he will never win the fans over. Imagine the dressing room full of Everton players who know our manager is on borrowed time cos the fans will ensure he takes the fall even if we bottle our jobs week in week out. How can a captain rally his troops when he is one of the weakest links in tbe squad?

Imagine Mykolenko, who does not speak english, play his 1st game in PL, in a team full of cowards, a manager hoping that these players grow a pair, get hounded off during his 1st game?! FFS!

The over emotional fanbase is causing 25% destruction, with Moshiri causing the other 65% and manager's tactics the remaining 10%.

What I would like to see is this fanbase grow a pair and bring a banner calling for Moshiri to quit if they dare?

I cannot agree with quite a bit of this. Yesterday was an awful result we know that and the fault lies with FSW team selection. But when the subbings were done we actually were better and fought but by then it was rather late. IT showed that Mina and Richie should have started, what was FSW thinking with his team selection?

Just wanted to point we did give it a good go but that lot were good at fouling and getting away with it, there should have been at least on red but that is now all history. Lets look to the future and hope we make a proper appointment that we can all get behind.

 

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Can those who wanted and pushed for Benitez as manager in summer, sneering at fellow bloos, be held accountable sir?

Oh deffo mate. I never wanted Benitez here but for me it was always a case of if he does well then that means the club have done well and at the end of the day that's all what mattered to me, it didn't mean though that all of a sudden I would become happy that he was our manager.

 

[chicoazul]

He's looking at you @MikelsGoat

That walrus has long shed it’s hair.

 

[faddy the blue]

Thank you for this refreshingly honest and accountable post my man. Those voting No above in the poll are the ones Everton need to purge before they can improve.

A crazy person never admits they are crazy. Expecting them to do so would be pointless. Did these same fans support Rafael when he had a good start to the season? No, they remained quiet waiting for these weak, coward players to throw him under the bus so they could come all guns blazing to put a wounded manager out of his misery.

If Moyes had made judgement on Digne and booted him out, no one would have questioned him.

The least I can do is give credit to Rafael for putting his hand up for a job with a double edged poisonous sword that had 10% success probability. Any manager would be sacked with this run of results and he would pick those players that he believes would play for him (which is what his idea is with Rondon).

He simply does not trust half of these players.

 

[chicoazul]

A crazy person never admits they are crazy. Expecting them to do so would be pointless. Did these same fans support Rafael when he had a good start to the season? No, they remained quiet waiting for these weak, coward players to throw him under the bus so they could come all guns blazing to put a wounded manager out of his misery.

If Moyes had made judgement on Digne and booted him out, no one would have questioned him.

The least I can do is give credit to Rafael for putting his hand up for a job with a double edged poisonous sword that had 10% success probability. Any manager would be sacked with this run of results and he would pick those players that he believes would play for him (which is what his idea is with Rondon).

He simply does not trust half of these players.

He tried calling out the toxic players and fans and instead they consumed yet another victim and Everton remain in crisis.

 

[summerisle]

I know the answer :

 

[The binman chronicles]

Do we create a difficult atmosphere for talent to develop and flourish? Yes. Just look at the Mykolenko thread for evidence.

We are not the root cause of Everton's problems though as if the players tried people wouldn't be on their backs so quickly.

 

[johnjoeefc]

Goodison can be toxic but what we've had to put up with over the years there can be no surprise. The icing on the cake and another reason for fans being wound up was bringing an ex RS manager in, that was only ever going to go one way, then you have Moshiri who comes across like he doesn't give a toss about us fans, the case being him going to his best mate Jim White instead of directly speaking to fans when he has something to say.

Now, I'm not saying we're innocent through all this because we're not, but years of frustration and so many false dawns have played their part in fans anger.

I think this is the biggest issue. The majority of fans go in with this attitude of that we have been served dross since moyes left etc. So the first sign that it's coming back again everyone jumps on the bandwagon and makes a managers job untenable.

I think all the fans need a reset and have to look at positives. Such as we are playing in the biggest league In the world. We are normally in the top half etc and when things don't go well it needs to be accepted that the league is difficult and bad runs can happen. Ffp rules dictate that we are not allowed to compete with the super 6 currently, noone is. If you don't like that then complain to the Premier league. But if you are happy to keep watching then you have to accept that and also accept that everton will always finish somewhere between 7th and 15th most likely.

But the best chance the club have of building into a better force and occasionally breaking the top 6 is by harmony, consistency in manager and longevity. Unfortunately though not everyone has this kind of vision and toxicity creeps back in far too quickly too often.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

No.
Easy cop out.
We ain't alone being 'toxic' as a fan base.
Get it right on the park and all this will be old news.
We've always been a tough crowd ,or have we?
Plenty of us went pre glamorous PL when walk ups was a thing and away travel was decided on a whim.
Even when HK got booed it wasn't as toxic .