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Arsenal 1-0 Everton.

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paulbefc said:
Cool. Ever get your team into the champions league with negative money?
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No, I helped a team of no-ones and youngsters establish themselves in a lower league, and the same bunch of tools are now reigning champions of said league only 6 months later and they are 90% going to play in the second level of Bulgarian football and reached the quarters of the Cup.

Have you though? If you haven't, I see absolutely no logical usage of that argument.
 
When you lose your two most influential players in Pienaar, Arteta, an two of your leading goalscorers in Yakubu and Beckford, and not replace them... then what do you expect?

For me, Moyes has lost his fight at the moment. His current, sulking, defeatist attitude stinks.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
When you lose your two most influential players in Pienaar, Arteta, an two of your leading goalscorers in Yakubu and Beckford, and not replace them... then what do you expect?
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A manager that has some bollocks to tell his chairman to sort it out?

If not, then he can shut his mouth complaining.
 
I hate Moyes with a passion to be honest, but I can't see how anyone can blame him for today. Anyone managing Everton today would have had the same approach - defend for 90 minutes and keep the score low.

We did exactly what I expected and I'm happy with a 1-0 loss as it shows that when needed we can close shop against good sides.

In the Prediction League, I had a 2-0 Arsenal win, but wouldn't have been surprised by 4-0 or 5-0.

It simply wasn't a winnable game. Yes, criticise awful performances against the likes of Stoke and QPR by all means, but when you're playing Arsenal away and you're a side of our quality your only chance is to spoil and defend and hope beyond hope you sneak a 1-0 win or a 0-0 draw.

The real games start from now until the end of January. If we don't win at least 50% of them, Moyes should be sacked.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
When you lose your two most influential players in Pienaar, Arteta, an two of your leading goalscorers in Yakubu and Beckford, and not replace them... then what do you expect?

For me, Moyes has lost his fight at the moment. His current, sulking, defeatist attitude stinks.
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Divine intervention. FFS PEOPLE GET PRAYING
 

billycopper said:
What gets me is that Moyes is saying that we need to find new ways to play. What he actually means is that he will shift players around in exactly the same system for a game or two and then go back to exactly what he's always done.

Saha and Cahill need quality deliveries into the box, as they're never going to outrun anyone. However Baines is too nervous to get forward because the player infront of him won't cover his position. So there's no supply line to the forwards. How do we change the situation? We could try Neville at left back and push Baines into midfield, so that he could get forward at will.

We don't have enough creativity from other areas. How could we change that? Moyes has had problems with Drenthe, Bily and Barkley over defensive responsibilities. Why not play one of them in the free role behind the striker and drop Cahill further back, where he will fulfil his duties? He'd then still be on the pitch to hopefully score from set pieces.

Coleman isn't so effective from midfield because he doesn't have the same space to run into. If we tuck Cahill into that side then he'd offer enough experience and protection to allow Seamus to overlap him.

It's all pretty logical and obvious stuff. It frustrates me that Moyes just tinkers with his lineup, not solving existing problems and creating even more.
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Some good points in there mate. Baines to LM isn't rocket science really and I cant understand why he hasn't done it. He's neutralised since Piennar left and he's been our best forward player for three seasons. That's a big problem and it needs addressing by a big move like that. If we had a recognised LB deputy I'm sure it would have been done already, but needs must and Neville is a safe enough defender on either flank I believe.
 
GrandOldTeam said:
When you lose your two most influential players in Pienaar, Arteta, an two of your leading goalscorers in Yakubu and Beckford, and not replace them... then what do you expect?

For me, Moyes has lost his fight at the moment. His current, sulking, defeatist attitude stinks.
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Better utilisation of whats left, especially as whats being used isn't doing particularly well.

Of course it doesn't help, but when you have no money to buy players with you simply have to get the best out of what you have left.

And Moyes isn't.
 
Howard - no chance with the goal, made a good save from Gervinho and although I don't like keepers punching the ball out he did ok.
Hibbert - strong challenges, good covering and tried to get forward - its just that the team dont trust him to cross it properly from wide (or anywhere else)
Jags - solid
Heits - did well
Baines - had a torrid time vs Walcotts pace, had little or no protection from Bily. Crosses werent up to usual high standard.
Fellaini - poor, lost the ball to much, and sometimes just gave it away for free. Also made some bad decisions.
Neville - just not up to covering enough ground to be a midfielder, his brother knew when he couldn't cut it, so whats the story.
Coleman - bad decisions, bad crosses, did look to make a break but then the play got slowed down around him and he got repeatedly crowded out.
Bily - Awful, woeful, is he playing drunk? does he need to be able to be drunk to play well? crossing was the worst ever, not even pub league standard. How did he get offside so much? wouldnt move his feet, just a lazy swine. Time to go, Radzinski was a knobhead but at least he moved his legs.
Saha - expected him to have a broken arm or collarbonewhen he took a tumble on around ten minutes, was uneffective. Past it.
Cahill - tries hard, shouldnt have been allowed to play through injury earlier in the season, and doesnt have the passing to help others help him with decent service.
Subs - not enough time to judge.
 
Tubey said:
I hate Moyes with a passion to be honest, but I can't see how anyone can blame him for today. Anyone managing Everton today would have had the same approach - defend for 90 minutes and keep the score low.

We did exactly what I expected and I'm happy with a 1-0 loss as it shows that when needed we can close shop against good sides.

In the Prediction League, I had a 2-0 Arsenal win, but wouldn't have been surprised by 4-0 or 5-0.

It simply wasn't a winnable game. Yes, criticise awful performances against the likes of Stoke and QPR by all means, but when you're playing Arsenal away and you're a side of our quality your only chance is to spoil and defend and hope beyond hope you sneak a 1-0 win or a 0-0 draw.

The real games start from now until the end of January. If we don't win at least 50% of them, Moyes should be sacked.
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I think it's more down to what he did today, in terms of substitutions and tactics. Distin on for Saha was so unneccesary, that really pissed me off. Why not sub the 2 players actually playing ****, rather than changing our personel and inevitibly making it easier for them, imo
 

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