Transfer Rumour Axel Witsel
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Toffeelover
Player Valuation: £80m
Boy I would like to think so.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
some newly promoted or bottom dweller will pay 7-8m for cleverley mate easily, and someone will pay 15-18m or maybe more for mccarthy
Think it's clear he wants out of Zenit, if Juve refuse to meet our offer then we wil have our man. All about Juve's willingness to match our bid, not sure they will, let's hope not
rochdaleblue
Player Valuation: £50m
In the perfect world that would happen. Unfortunately many managers can see what Martinez couldn't.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Both still have people who rate them mate, the likes of Kone, Niasse, Gibson etc are the ones we will struggle to do anything with
Good job he's off to Hull with promises of transfer spends.
rochdaleblue
Player Valuation: £50m
Well McCarthy apart he brought enough dross with him from Wigan. At the very least, he should take McGeady, Niasse and cleverley off us.
bring back the catt
Player Valuation: £8m
Spot on,for these are the sums just above average players are being bought for these days.
All sums for players are relative in today's market, and comparing prices of players of yesteryear is unrealistic. But let's give it a try.
A player within the last twenty years, say, buying back Big Dunc from the Skunks, cost approx £4.3 mill. Whilst that is still a huge amount of money for anybody who plays a team sport, in today's market he would attract probably fifteen times that amount. That is unrealistic, and only time will tell if it is sustainable.
I ask, in that period, have the average persons wages risen by that much?
Has anything risen that much ( banker's bonuses aside)?
Has the game itself improved by that much. That is rhetorical.
It's not the fault of the players, it is the fault of heavily sponsored clubs almost falling over themselves to offer such fees.
I ask once again, is it sustainable. The short answer for the short term is, yes. But I doubt Scudamore is doing much more than basking in the reflective glory of over-seeing the most financially flourishing period in the history of the game. If, and i only mean 'if', things do go pear shaped, he will be gone and can blame anything on his successor. Time will tell.
Back to topic. How much should the Cleverlys of this world be valued at?
For me, Messi and Ronaldo are probably the best players over a reasonable period of time. I would reckon they should be marketed at approx £30/£35 mill, and should command a wage of no more than £30K per week.
We have all got too used to these Monopoly money figures.
*Taps Nose
ToffeeTownMilto
Player Valuation: £8m
All these calls suggesting he'd stay at Zenit if Juve don't up their bid seem strange to me.
As The Esk said earlier, if he only wanted Juve then surely he'd have gone public with his desire not to sign for us. The fact that has happened would suggest he's open to the idea if Juve don't match our bid.
As The Esk said earlier, if he only wanted Juve then surely he'd have gone public with his desire not to sign for us. The fact that has happened would suggest he's open to the idea if Juve don't match our bid.
I don't want Witsel as a replacement for Jimmy Mac lad. I'm one of McCarthy's biggest supporters on here.
But him and Witsel are completely different players.
Watching McCarthy yesterday, after the first 20 mins or so he quickly reverted to safe sideways passing when there was clear opportunities for the ball to go forward into the channels (which for once Lukaku was running into).
I know it's only pre-season, but RK has said that's how he wants to play.
To do that well we need somebody who can play those passes, drive forward with the ball at his feet but also offer defesnive protection. Neither Cleverley or McCarthy can do that. Barkley can, but often gets doubled up on.
Witsel is a player who can do all of the above and would improve us.
In fairness, Cleverley has been decent in pre-season.
McCarthy for me is more than capable of playing that holding role if it's just to break up play, but ultimately we need somebody in that role who can pick a pass as well - it's probably why Gibson's been given a chance there.
rochdaleblue
Player Valuation: £50m
It's called 'edging your bets'. Zenith would like him to join us (we apparently have offered the most money) his agent is probably liking the offer we have made to his client. But deep down witsel would like the opportunity to play for juve in the champions league. But if that doesn't materialise, he will come to us I feel, as I can't see zenit allowing him to leave for nothing next summer. If witsel does drag us feet about leaving zenit, it could be that zenit lowering their asking price could result in witsel securing a bigger signing on fee.
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