Baby killed in bed by a dog called 'killer'.

[tommye]

What sharks have you got mate? I've got a tiger and a wobbegong. Great with the kids.

I've got a hammerhead. Great with the kids, great house shark but a bit dodgy around the crosby trout faced blue rinse brigade.

 

[BlueLlama]

I think you need a license for them, so they're illegal only if you don't have permission.

Dogs like that are obviously bred for hunting and such, so really don't make great pets. Amazing looking things though, but much like Lions and Sharks, I'd rather look and not touch :S

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs

In the UK, it’s against the law to own certain types of dog. These are the:

Pit Bull Terrier
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentino
Fila Braziliero

It’s also against the law to:

sell
abandon
give away
breed from

a banned dog.

 

[bluemangroup]

2 bull sharks mate, lovely creatures they are, its not a status thing at all, i genuinely love them, they wouldn't hurt a fly because of the way I brought them up, they are well fed so they dont get narked, I've got a good supply of monged up giraffes to lob in the pool for them

Oh yeah? Giraffe meat must be hard to come by I'd imagine. I feed my lads other people's pets. They love schnauzers. They're so docile once they've fed and just started to get them to do tricks for their supper. Eventually going to make a shark display team.

 

[Walken]

Oh yeah? Giraffe meat must be hard to come by I'd imagine. I feed my lads other people's pets. They love schnauzers. They're so docile once they've fed and just started to get them to do tricks for their supper. Eventually going to make a shark display team.

thats certainly more effective than waiting for giraffes to inbreed, i'm going to move to wales I think so I can take them for a walk and be dead boss and that, you now bring them on a train when its dead busy, that sort of thing

 

[Walken]

I've got a hammerhead. Great with the kids, great house shark but a bit dodgy around the crosby trout faced blue rinse brigade.

nice, was thinking of getting a brendan rodgers myself

 

[tommye]

American Bulldogs are another breed like staffy's often bred badly due to their "look" of an American pitbull terrier.

A good example is a kennel in Lancashire sells Staffy pups for £600, their parents/grandparents have often been involved in competitions and are bred excellently.

You can they buy a staffy pup for £80 on an estate in St Helens, you tell me which is more likely to grow with temperant issues?
fatal dog attacks are thankfully rare anyway but many instances of dog attacks by "softer" breeds go unnoticed as they don't create the same type of "news story" if it was a rottweiller/staffy etc.

Doug, you seem to 'know' your dogs, can you offer me some advice?

my parents recently bought a Setter pup. Lovely dog, beautiful big redcoat, and really playful.

does this breed have any issues?

 

[bluemangroup]

thats certainly more effective than waiting for giraffes to inbreed, i'm going to move to wales I think so I can take them for a walk and be dead boss and that, you now bring them on a train when its dead busy, that sort of thing

They are incredibly dorsal pets I think so I can't see why anybody would be bothered. It's less of a walk and more of a drag though I find. They do love splashing around in the local pond in the park. The ducks don't like it as much though.

 

[RFUS]

https://www.gov.uk/control-dog-public/banned-dogs

Fair play.

Not that I've ever seen one, like. Nor do I want to.

 

[maddison]

Parents should be tried for negligence...PBT's were bred specifically to not show aggression towards humans, other dogs is a different matter. Owner, not the breed.

That's about as far removed from the truth as you can get. They were bred to not be human aggressive, because heaven forbid someone jump into a pit to separate two dogs that are going ballistic if the dog was bred to be aggressive towards humans! Media rubbish that simply isn't true. They were bred for dog fighting, and can be highly dog aggressive if they are trained to be that way. Not all Pitts like to fight by the way, they're trained from pups by total muppets

I think if you have a baby or a young child then you shouldn't have any kind of dog which is considered dangerous, let alone illegally.

What do you gain from having a dog like that? Does it make you feel tough? Why not get a rottweiler (not that keen on them myself) or a Great Dane or something? Not some dog which is designed to hurt, what with their locking jaws too.

While incidents do happen, the reality is no dog should be left unattended around children. There are quite a high number of banned breeds still in the UK, yet the fatality rate isn't high. There are fatalities caused by breeds that aren't banned too. It very much is down to the owner, and it's a wild assumption to assume every dog owner of a pitt is a scaly.

PBT's are some what unpredictable, even around humans which is why they are banned. They were bred first and foremost for aggression. What's worse is that Staffies then get lumped into the same pot because they look similar. When I was looking to buy our staffer 7 years ago I had to screen for people offering dogs that were clearly pit bull stock.

They were banned due to a media frenzy, several years before due to the Omen films it was Dobermans and Rotties that were on the media's hit list. Staffys are very similar to Pitt bulls and were bred for the same purpose.

This has been mentioned in the thread already, but interbreeding and poor breeding can result in an unstable dog. More needs to be done in the UK to stop people from needlessly breeding animals for profit.

nothing to do with the breed, its more of the TYPE OF PERSON, that is attracted to these breed of dogs. Ive owned Rottweilers, Boxers, bullmastiffs and Dogue De Bordaux's and none have been a problem. People are bitten by other breeds everyday but due to the size/strength of these dogs it goes unheard off.

Ban the scally's and chavs wanting a tough looking dog these crimes will go down, but problem is backyard breeding look how cheap staffy pups are, bred often with bad temperaments due to that.

Some common sense there

A dog isn't inherently evil, but they are inherently able to be domesticated and trained. If a dog owner doesn't train their dog properly then the blame starts and ends with them.

Perhaps a dog license is a good idea, as there are far too many absolute morons with dogs that have high pounds-force bites and zero to no knowledge of proper training, nor the will to train.

It's perfectly fine to have dogs around babies -- in fact most dogs are protective of the young -- but you'd hope that a parent wouldn't keep a poorly trained or vicious dog. Sadly, just like anyone can have a baby, anyone can have a dog. When irresponsible dog owners and irresponsible parents mix, that's when things like this happen.

I think licensing might work, but training and people being aware that different dogs have different temperaments goes a long way too. Dogs were bread for purposes before they became fashion accessories, and we've typically lived with them for thousands of years.

cars are dangerous, being in a kitchen is dangerous, alcohol is dangerous...etc etc

danger is around children constantly, parents are their to protect their children

Absolutely agree, people are often blind to the risks of allowing their children to climb all over a dog and treat it like a toy, which it isn't. I'm not a massive fan of people who leave the room with their child and dog unattended either.

Staffis are capable of it too. I just don't get it, why not get a dog which isn't capable of killing people ?

http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/jealous-dog-kills-man-westcliff-sea-essex-1431909

Labradors: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-injuries-Labrador-savages-Poole-Harbour.html

I don't get the whole "Cars are dangerous and we put kids in the all the time" and "Alcohol probably causes more deaths" argument. It remind me of when I had an argument with an old friend about taking pills, as a bad one can kill you. He said "Yeah well I could get hit by a bus crossing the road tomorrow". What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Like Brennan says, why have a dog that is capable of causing extreme harm? What is the point? What is the attraction? What's wrong with a labrador FFS? There's dozens of breeds which are not considered dangerous. It's just totally irresponsible and very selfish in my opinion to own a dangerous dog if you have young children.

Any dog can be dangerous to a small child, even small dogs. Statistically there just isn't an epidemic of dogs roaming about killing children. It's very tragic when it happens, and it should obviously be investigated, but you'll never get the full picture from the press. You'll get a one sided sensationalist rendition of what they think will gain the most readers.

I've got a 7 month old and it's safe to say that if we had a dog in the house (supposedly dangerous or not) and the baby was upstairs asleep there is not a chance the dog would have access to upstairs, let alone the room the baby was sleeping in. Irrespective of your view on dangerous dogs, that's just stupid parenting.

Common sense really, agree totally Bungle

looking forward to your next multi already. Staff's arent bad dogs, but their a pretty good indicator that the owner is a bell unfortunately, not everyone obviously but bells loves staffs, so best to steer clear of them

I walk my dogs through a council estate daily, I've never seen a Staffy on there. Plenty of mixed breeds, and a few toy dogs. The Staffy owners I know in the village are professional types....

A breed of dog which has a history of behavioural problems, such as a pit bull.

Or a media rendition of behavioural problems?

Well that's the problem. I'd struggle to find too many studies that prove these dogs have inherent behavioural problems. The reason you associate them with problems is because of the likelihood of their owners being bulbs. After some Damon-esque wiki-ing I found a few studies showing that pit bull owners are more likely themselves to be antisocial and have convictions. So it's not really the dog, it's the owner.

The first thing any dog trainer will tell you is to be confident and sure of yourself. Dogs respond to their owners, in terms of their emotions and confidence, and so these idiots who mistreat their animal and want them to exhibit aggressive behaviour (because they're ded hard lad) kind of skew the statistics a bit.

I'm pretty sure if you looked at most dog aggression incidents you'd find the owners were bells of some sort, regardless of breed.

Why would you want to wn a dog like that though ? I don't understand it.....

I have two Akitas, they are ridiculously soft in the house. Babies in fact, incredibly affectionate and playful. The attraction isn't always what you think it might be, to me they are big cuddly dogs that are loyal and love being around you.

I'm aware of their dog aggression and high guard instinct, which is part of their temperament. When you know a dogs temperament you know how to responsibly own and look after a dog. I muzzle when out, because people on occasion will walk directly at you with their dogs despite you calmly asking them not too, and they are always on the lead.

A lot of responsible dog ownership is about common sense, understanding the breed, and making sure you are in control. A bit like if you're a total bell end driving a big engined car, drinking alcohol and driving around residential areas at high speeds, to draw a loose analogy. There are a lot of things that can be dangerous if you are irresponsible.

 

[malcson]

Well that's the problem. I'd struggle to find too many studies that prove these dogs have inherent behavioural problems. The reason you associate them with problems is because of the likelihood of their owners being bulbs. After some Damon-esque wiki-ing I found a few studies showing that pit bull owners are more likely themselves to be antisocial and have convictions. So it's not really the dog, it's the owner.

The first thing any dog trainer will tell you is to be confident and sure of yourself. Dogs respond to their owners, in terms of their emotions and confidence, and so these idiots who mistreat their animal and want them to exhibit aggressive behaviour (because they're ded hard lad) kind of skew the statistics a bit.

This is the route of the problem, if Labradors were classified as dangerous and the same people started leaving them alone in rooms with babies they would become the next dangerous breed.

 

[chicoazul]

at the minute got a boxer and a Siberian Husky pup. Down the years ive had rottweilers, Dobermans, GSD's, Yorkie's , Bullmastiff's, beagle's, Border Collie's (The worst experience Ive had was the collie he was adopted who had a bad upbringing and he was a snappy thing) the only one I wouldn't trust with anyone.

Doug are the allegations about you being the banned poster Bluenose1995 true, you bad redcoat?

Come and take your moment in the sun before they behead you.

 

[Goat]

Doug are the allegations about you being the banned poster Bluenose1995 too, you bad redcoat?

Come and take your moment in the sun before they behead you.

OH FFS

 

[Kurt.]

Orf wiv is ed !!

 

[noharmdone]

Doug are the allegations about you being the banned poster Bluenose1995 true, you bad redcoat?

Come and take your moment in the sun before they behead you.

Oh FFS...

Sucked me in there Doug.

 

[tommye]

Doug are the allegations about you being the banned poster Bluenose1995 true, you bad redcoat?

Come and take your moment in the sun before they behead you.

it's on ffs.








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