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Baby killed in bed by a dog called 'killer'.

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American Bulldogs are another breed like staffy's often bred badly due to their "look" of an American pitbull terrier.

A good example is a kennel in Lancashire sells Staffy pups for £600, their parents/grandparents have often been involved in competitions and are bred excellently.

You can they buy a staffy pup for £80 on an estate in St Helens, you tell me which is more likely to grow with temperant issues?
fatal dog attacks are thankfully rare anyway but many instances of dog attacks by "softer" breeds go unnoticed as they don't create the same type of "news story" if it was a rottweiller/staffy etc.

The issue is responsible breeding not banning, that way less dogs are prone to aggression problems, now no matter how well bred a dog is it could grow to develop personality problems if not trained/looked after that's life same as people brought up in good family homes can turn into killers, rapists etc., but breeders do need to take responsibility to an extent, Im against banning as like someone says it punishes only responsible people. A good example is the handgun ban due to Dunblane is a perfect example as after that ban handgun crime has actually increased despite them being illegal and "harder" to own, as irresponsible people/'bad guys' don't buy guns legally with licenses/serial numbers, they buy off the black market leaving no traces to them, same way the "war on drugs" isn't working and never will which means the responsible owners are the only ones to suffer.

Nigel Farage caused an uproar recently saying the ban on handguns was wrong and the people in the media that got offended by it to spin a story have no idea what they are talking about, Shotguns and Rifles are legally ownable in this country and both in the wrong hands can cause the same devastation as dunblane, yet why are they deemed less dangerous by the laws and the public? The issue is licensing and if the Government brought licensing in for breeders then that could be a positive step, as I don't think licensing for those looking to buy would work really.
 
Just get kittens lads. Never had a problem with ours attacking anyone. Apart from that one time. But we dont talk about that birthday party anymore.
 
A breed of dog which has a history of behavioural problems, such as a pit bull.

Well that's the problem. I'd struggle to find too many studies that prove these dogs have inherent behavioural problems. The reason you associate them with problems is because of the likelihood of their owners being bulbs. After some Damon-esque wiki-ing I found a few studies showing that pit bull owners are more likely themselves to be antisocial and have convictions. So it's not really the dog, it's the owner.

The first thing any dog trainer will tell you is to be confident and sure of yourself. Dogs respond to their owners, in terms of their emotions and confidence, and so these idiots who mistreat their animal and want them to exhibit aggressive behaviour (because they're ded hard lad) kind of skew the statistics a bit.
 
American Bulldogs are another breed like staffy's often bred badly due to their "look" of an American pitbull terrier.

A good example is a kennel in Lancashire sells Staffy pups for £600, their parents/grandparents have often been involved in competitions and are bred excellently.

You can they buy a staffy pup for £80 on an estate in St Helens, you tell me which is more likely to grow with temperant issues?
fatal dog attacks are thankfully rare anyway but many instances of dog attacks by "softer" breeds go unnoticed as they don't create the same type of "news story" if it was a rottweiller/staffy etc.

The issue is responsible breeding not banning, that way less dogs are prone to aggression problems, now no matter how well bred a dog is it could grow to develop personality problems if not trained/looked after that's life same as people brought up in good family homes can turn into killers, rapists etc., but breeders do need to take responsibility to an extent, Im against banning as like someone says it punishes only responsible people. A good example is the handgun ban due to Dunblane is a perfect example as after that ban handgun crime has actually increased despite them being illegal and "harder" to own, as irresponsible people/'bad guys' don't buy guns legally with licenses/serial numbers, they buy off the black market leaving no traces to them, same way the "war on drugs" isn't working and never will which means the responsible owners are the only ones to suffer.

Nigel Farage caused an uproar recently saying the ban on handguns was wrong and the people in the media that got offended by it to spin a story have no idea what they are talking about, Shotguns and Rifles are legally ownable in this country and both in the wrong hands can cause the same devastation as dunblane, yet why are they deemed less dangerous by the laws and the public? The issue is licensing and if the Government brought licensing in for breeders then that could be a positive step, as I don't think licensing for those looking to buy would work really.

why dont you just suck nigel farage off while wearing a ku klux klan outfit and be done with it
 
proper APBT's or staffy's?

Proper ones ... first dog ever in my life was a red nosed fighting dog from manchester , I was only 3yo never bit me once and i used to hang of her constantly , I guess thats where the love in started .. I can understand peoples fears and there right in the wrong hands with wrong training they can be very very dangerous
 

American Bulldogs are another breed like staffy's often bred badly due to their "look" of an American pitbull terrier.

A good example is a kennel in Lancashire sells Staffy pups for £600, their parents/grandparents have often been involved in competitions and are bred excellently.

You can they buy a staffy pup for £80 on an estate in St Helens, you tell me which is more likely to grow with temperant issues?
fatal dog attacks are thankfully rare anyway but many instances of dog attacks by "softer" breeds go unnoticed as they don't create the same type of "news story" if it was a rottweiller/staffy etc.

The issue is responsible breeding not banning, that way less dogs are prone to aggression problems, now no matter how well bred a dog is it could grow to develop personality problems if not trained/looked after that's life same as people brought up in good family homes can turn into killers, rapists etc., but breeders do need to take responsibility to an extent, Im against banning as like someone says it punishes only responsible people. A good example is the handgun ban due to Dunblane is a perfect example as after that ban handgun crime has actually increased despite them being illegal and "harder" to own, as irresponsible people/'bad guys' don't buy guns legally with licenses/serial numbers, they buy off the black market leaving no traces to them, same way the "war on drugs" isn't working and never will which means the responsible owners are the only ones to suffer.

Nigel Farage caused an uproar recently saying the ban on handguns was wrong and the people in the media that got offended by it to spin a story have no idea what they are talking about, Shotguns and Rifles are legally ownable in this country and both in the wrong hands can cause the same devastation as dunblane, yet why are they deemed less dangerous by the laws and the public? The issue is licensing and if the Government brought licensing in for breeders then that could be a positive step, as I don't think licensing for those looking to buy would work really.


Also responsible breeding is a very good point. For generations breeds like the Rottweiler have been diluted and tainted by dodgy puppy farms and careless, quid-seeking breeders. This is just a simple mirroring of the consumer -- people looking for £2000 pedigree dogs will go to reputable breeders, but bulbs looking for a scary looking dog will happily give some random idiot £100 for a snarling mutt.

It's hard to comprehend the full scale of the problem, as it's a bit like a Hydra -- there are many heads to this issue, but which one do you cut? :P
 
Also responsible breeding is a very good point. For generations breeds like the Rottweiler have been diluted and tainted by dodgy puppy farms and careless, quid-seeking breeders. This is just a simple mirroring of the consumer -- people looking for £2000 pedigree dogs will go to reputable breeders, but bulbs looking for a scary looking dog will happily give some random idiot £100 for a snarling mutt.

It's hard to comprehend the full scale of the problem, as it's a bit like a Hydra -- there are many heads to this issue, but which one do you cut? :P

very true, id does annoy me slightly when people just say- well license this, license that

do they honestly think the authorities havent considered these options??(Especially as dog licensing already existed)

its obviously a complicated issue
 
Why have a dog at all? Just to be macho man? Means have to train it, take it for walks, pick up the pooh and if it is a big dog supposed to be muzzled add in the cost of feeding. Could buy a season ticket instead.

However a nice little girl has lost her life that is the crucks of this. Should never have happened.
 
Also responsible breeding is a very good point. For generations breeds like the Rottweiler have been diluted and tainted by dodgy puppy farms and careless, quid-seeking breeders. This is just a simple mirroring of the consumer -- people looking for £2000 pedigree dogs will go to reputable breeders, but bulbs looking for a scary looking dog will happily give some random idiot £100 for a snarling mutt.

It's hard to comprehend the full scale of the problem, as it's a bit like a Hydra -- there are many heads to this issue, but which one do you cut? :P

its why I don't agree with banning APBT's, why is a responsible owned Pit Bull seen as more dangerous than an irresponsibly owned/bred Rottweiller?

same way why is a banned 10 round capacity handgun seen as more dangerous than a legally owned 25 round semi auto rifle?

the media plays a big role in how people perceive things, the reality is you cant ban something but you can and should make licenses as they weed out alot of 'questionable' characters.
 

its why I don't agree with banning APBT's, why is a responsible owned Pit Bull seen as more dangerous than an irresponsibly owned/bred Rottweiller?

same way why is a banned 10 round capacity handgun seen as more dangerous than a legally owned 25 round semi auto rifle?

the media plays a big role in how people perceive things, the reality is you cant ban something but you can and should make licenses as they weed out alot of 'questionable' characters.

What dogs do you own Doug?
 
Doug tell you what dog ive always dreamed of owning .. again pretty banned and near impossible to get hold of over here

dogo argentino .. dunno if you've ever read up on them , beautiful looking dogs
 
What dogs do you own Doug?

at the minute got a boxer and a Siberian Husky pup. Down the years ive had rottweilers, Dobermans, GSD's, Yorkie's , Bullmastiff's, beagle's, Border Collie's (The worst experience Ive had was the collie he was adopted who had a bad upbringing and he was a snappy thing) the only one I wouldn't trust with anyone.
 
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Doug tell you what dog ive always dreamed of owning .. again pretty banned and near impossible to get hold of over here

dogo argentino .. dunno if you've ever read up on them , beautiful looking dogs

Not "pretty banned" but illegal mate because they are massive killing machines.
 

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