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Back to a David Moyes team

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Neither Stones, Lukaku, nor Barkley want to play for us. Deulofeu was only rarely physically capable of playing more than 45 minutes at a time for us, and we had no control over whether or not Barca invoked his buy-back clause.

We have one of the most promising youth sides in Europe.

Of course this is all obvious to anyone with even the most passive interest in Everton, so I assume the initial post, which ignores all of it, is just the usual bored internet WUMmery - in which case, not even worth the brief amount of time anyone is devoting to responding.
 

Zatara said:
I'm feeling quite miserable after seeing Ronald Koeman effectively tell us that Barkley is going. The fourth player classed not long ago as one of our jewels along with Stones, Lukaku and Deulofeu.

John Stones was classed by an enormous amount of people as a potentially 'world class' player and recognised as one of the jewels in our team. Sure, we can look at a variety of negatives and also the large transfer fee but in the end we lost Stones to Man City and arguably the top manager around.

The recent bids for Swansea midfielder Gylfi Sigurdsson are eerily similar to 12 months ago when we signed a 31 year old Ashley Williams to replace Stones. He had performed well for Swansea and also internationally for Wales and most people thought he would make a good stop-gap and perhaps a mentor for a truly top foreign defender last summer (who we of course never signed).

Fast forward until today and we have signed Englands long term keeper in Jordan Pickford and a man mountain and England international Michael Keane. It seems to me that the ideal partner to Keane on paper would have been John Stones.

Everton would then have, three long term English internationals and would be able to maximise on this not only on the pitch but through marketing and exposure to show young English players what they can achieve. The global marketing into Asia and other regions would be very lucrative also.

Instead of this we lost our 'jewel' and have Ashley Williams (who will turn 33 in August) and haven't brought in any 'star' centre back or any 'potential' John Stones type star.


Back to Sigurdsson, he's a great player. When he was at Reading he was always in the media and also at Swansea he's always been their top player. He'd have been a great signing for us to play with Barkley and Rooney all linking up and getting the ball to Lukaku. However, we've lost Lukaku and we're going to lose Barkley. So instead of imagining something which looks interesting on paper, we instead have the prospect of spending 50mil on a transfer fee and probably something similar on wages/bonuses for someone whose not even close to a 'Star' player or 'Potential' star player. Looks like another short-term signing to me.

A lot of people have been clamouring for Giroud. This is another Ashley Williams, he could be solid for a season, maybe even for two seasons when he turns 33. Is Giroud a 'star' player like Lukaku or a 'potential world class player...nope. So why sign him?

I'm just wondering if, as an Evertonian, I should in some way be excited by the reality of losing 4 'jewels' and replacing them with short term stopgaps Williams, Sigurdsson, Rooney and perhaps Giroud.


Looking at our squad, if we discount both the young players and the more experienced players and solely focus on the age group from 22- 29 who do we have without any 'ifs' or 'buts' about them this season and in the mid-long term?

Pickford -- Potentially the long term Everton and England number 1.
Keane -- Man Mountain and looks a solid defender who should also be a rock for England
Schneiderlin -- Our Sami Khedira who keeps us ticking along
Gana -- Energetic tackling machine

These are all top 'supporting cast' members and with Bolasie and Coleman (unknown recoveries) as well as the adaptation of Klaassen and Sandro we seen to have a collection of 'supporting cast members' and no 'stars'.

Are we becoming another 'David Moyes' side with a team aiming to be greater than the sum of its parts?

Have we recycled the squad players and our 'jewels' to go back to a workmanlike Moyes style team?

I suggest that the next few signings will show us if we're going for 'stars', potential 'stars' or players to fit into a particular system.

Other than Leicester I don't think this approach has worked for anyone so I hope any new signings surprise us in a good way and they and the u21s provide the 'star' quality we seem to be missing to break into the top 4.
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You just having a bad day mate ?
 
...I might be wrong but we didn't look like winning much with Lukaku, Stones, Barkley and Deulofeu in the team. If you have a new Coach he needs to bring his own players in and his own team model. If Koeman fails he'll be gone. Saying all of that, I don't think he could do much with the exits of Lukaku, Barkley or Stones.

We needed change, we're getting change. We all have players we'd like to stay but you have to let the manager get on with it.
 

I will judge when we have seen a run of games and the window is shut. I think we will after a quicker forward than Giroud personally. Barkley and Stones are players with all the potential in the world but one lacks end product and the other the basics. Rom is the one that hurts goals wise but it looks like we want to spread the goals around the teàm.
 
Stones will have to hit the ground running this coming season or he will be on the City scrap heap.

Lukaku will score but won't improve United to the extent they hope.

Del was always on a stupid contract as was always going back. He is also not suited to this league.

Barkley sadly is an idiot. His lifestyle choices are wrong for a supossed top class sportsman and he is not the player we hoped he would be.
Every manager has benched him.

They all won nothing here and will all be forgotten about.
 

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