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Think you chose a bad headline. Many will get sucked into it when the article itself is thoughtful and largely accurate. We have a plethora of ageing players, which is why we knew the defense was due an overhaul.

We have lost a top player in his prime and are about to lose another.

IMO the article is relatively optimistic in light of this. In Schneiderlin we have a class player at the top of his game. Gana we know what we have.

So we are reliant on our recruits to come in and deliver. I think we have bought especially well. Each of them was a pivotal player and leader in their respective teams.

RK is also well aware we need players in their prime... but we can't expect to do it all in one summer. We need to earn the right to sign players wanted by the best instead of developing them to be the best. As of now I'm very happy with the summer. It isn't over yet.
 
I will judge when we have seen a run of games and the window is shut. I think we will after a quicker forward than Giroud personally. Barkley and Stones are players with all the potential in the world but one lacks end product and the other the basics. Rom is the one that hurts goals wise but it looks like we want to spread the goals around the teàm.

Who do you blame for those players not reaching their potential? The players themselves? The managers they've had?
 
I'm feeling quite miserable after seeing Ronald Koeman effectively tell us that Barkley is going. The fourth player classed not long ago as one of our jewels along with Stones, Lukaku and Deulofeu.

John Stones was classed by an enormous amount of people as a potentially 'world class' player and recognised as one of the jewels in our team. Sure, we can look at a variety of negatives and also the large transfer fee but in the end we lost Stones to Man City and arguably the top manager around.

The recent bids for Swansea midfielder Gylfi Sigurdsson are eerily similar to 12 months ago when we signed a 31 year old Ashley Williams to replace Stones. He had performed well for Swansea and also internationally for Wales and most people thought he would make a good stop-gap and perhaps a mentor for a truly top foreign defender last summer (who we of course never signed).

Fast forward until today and we have signed Englands long term keeper in Jordan Pickford and a man mountain and England international Michael Keane. It seems to me that the ideal partner to Keane on paper would have been John Stones.

Everton would then have, three long term English internationals and would be able to maximise on this not only on the pitch but through marketing and exposure to show young English players what they can achieve. The global marketing into Asia and other regions would be very lucrative also.

Instead of this we lost our 'jewel' and have Ashley Williams (who will turn 33 in August) and haven't brought in any 'star' centre back or any 'potential' John Stones type star.


Back to Sigurdsson, he's a great player. When he was at Reading he was always in the media and also at Swansea he's always been their top player. He'd have been a great signing for us to play with Barkley and Rooney all linking up and getting the ball to Lukaku. However, we've lost Lukaku and we're going to lose Barkley. So instead of imagining something which looks interesting on paper, we instead have the prospect of spending 50mil on a transfer fee and probably something similar on wages/bonuses for someone whose not even close to a 'Star' player or 'Potential' star player. Looks like another short-term signing to me.

A lot of people have been clamouring for Giroud. This is another Ashley Williams, he could be solid for a season, maybe even for two seasons when he turns 33. Is Giroud a 'star' player like Lukaku or a 'potential world class player...nope. So why sign him?

I'm just wondering if, as an Evertonian, I should in some way be excited by the reality of losing 4 'jewels' and replacing them with short term stopgaps Williams, Sigurdsson, Rooney and perhaps Giroud.


Looking at our squad, if we discount both the young players and the more experienced players and solely focus on the age group from 22- 29 who do we have without any 'ifs' or 'buts' about them this season and in the mid-long term?

Pickford -- Potentially the long term Everton and England number 1.
Keane -- Man Mountain and looks a solid defender who should also be a rock for England
Schneiderlin -- Our Sami Khedira who keeps us ticking along
Gana -- Energetic tackling machine

These are all top 'supporting cast' members and with Bolasie and Coleman (unknown recoveries) as well as the adaptation of Klaassen and Sandro we seen to have a collection of 'supporting cast members' and no 'stars'.

Are we becoming another 'David Moyes' side with a team aiming to be greater than the sum of its parts?

Have we recycled the squad players and our 'jewels' to go back to a workmanlike Moyes style team?

I suggest that the next few signings will show us if we're going for 'stars', potential 'stars' or players to fit into a particular system.

Other than Leicester I don't think this approach has worked for anyone so I hope any new signings surprise us in a good way and they and the u21s provide the 'star' quality we seem to be missing to break into the top 4.

Didnt we score more goals last season than for many a year?
 

Of the 4 "Jewels" mentioned, only Lukaku delivered for us, and he has a long way to go to be considered in the Top player bracket he already thinks he's in.

The others are those type of players that have one good game in 5/10 and are lauded by Lee Dixon and Alan Shearer to be the best player ever.

Koeman knows what he's doing, we'll be fine without them.
 
TLDR

I'd rather have a treasure chest of cup trophies than jewels.


No we're not another Moyes team. Koeman has twice the ambition and belief.

I cant be bothered to go back to last seasons discussions when we hired the bloke but he's not a successful manager unless we class Holland as the epicentre of glory.


4 jewels who didn't do a thing between themselves, overrated tarts

We had the stars and needed the supporting cast. now we have the supporting cast and no stars.



Why do so many heads fall off when Stones - a player that hands in a transfer request - leaves for £50m?

Why do so many more heads fall off when Lukaku - a player who openly said he was going - leaves for £90m?

Why do so many heads fall off and sheets get soaked when Deulofeu - a player that wasn't good enough - leaves after having a buyback activated?

Why do so many heads again fall off when Barkley - a player who openly rejects a contract with a year to go - leaves for £xm?



This is football; these are all inevitable situations and there is nothing the club could do about them that was a better option than taking the masses of money on offer. United sold Ronaldo, Liverpool sold Suarez, Barcelona sold fat Ronaldo, AC Milan sold Kaka - teams sell.

No head falling off here...but where are the top quality replacements? Weve brought in an ageing star and a lot of supporting cast members...


Any "stars" we will have all look to get off sharpish and we can't beat the CL clubs to sign existing ones. We're going to have to rely on the "supporting cast" to bring us to a level when they might want to stay.

When was the last time an English club without CL signed a "star" player in your opinion @Zatara?

RS last season signing Mane comes to mind....this season Milan signing a few big names...

Quite a few examples...
 

I don't know about you, but I danced a little jig in my office when I read what Koeman said about Barks.

The times at Everton, they are a changin'
 
@Zatara

"Weve brought in an ageing star and a lot of supporting cast members..."

Signings thus far before we're finished:

Pickford
Martina - Obvious stop-gap
Keane
Klaassen
Sandro
Henry
Sigurdsson (formality)
Rooney - Ageing maybe but it's Wayne frigging Rooney.

Who are the quality replacements you wanted for (fill in the blanks):

Deulofeu:
Barkley:
Lukaku:
 
Let's just run through this a second.

A defender who couldn't defend.
Someone with less lung power than an asthmatic ant.
An attacker who for the majority of the game gave away possession as the ball ricocheted off his shin's.
And a midfielder who if you looked up the word inconsistent would have his face in the dictionary entry. (& unfortunately under bottler too)

They were all great prospects no doubt and in part they have done their bit for Everton, either with goals in Rom's case or money from transfer fees with the rest. It is sad they didn't stay longer but they all thought that Everton were below them (perhaps not Del but I would guess if he took off he would have gone back to Barca anyhow) so they had to go.

Let's hope in the near future we will get some more of these, but they will actually be the world class finished articles.
 

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