Back to a David Moyes team

[Zatara]

Thought that was a good read Zatmonster
I would say though you are forgetting those four were

- a youngster not trusted by his club (and we spent a monster amount of money on)
- a young lad from Barnsley who nearly ended up at Wigan
- a youth team product
- a player who Messi didn't rate and encouraged his club to sell

All started somewhere is what I mean.

Keane is young but proven, Pickford is young but rated across the game, Onyekuru could be anything and is getting two years experience at a champions league side, and we've just bought Sandro who wasn't rated at his first club, sold and then ripped up La Liga.

So we've signed four youngsters.... again

I think Pickford and Keane are great signings. Add in Gana and Schneiderlin with hopefully a fully fit Coleman and that's a handful of players we can trust to give solid performances every game.

Sandro looks class, Klaassen I think needs to go up 2 levels and Onyekuru we need to wait and see, I wouldn't say (yet) that we've gone out with the funds from the 'jewels' and spent big on star quality or obvious 'superstar/world class' lol potential

Looks to me to be a strategy to build something akin to a Moyes team

 

[edge]

Sooner have a team ,than a clutch of stars that have bottled it every time they got anywhere near getting this club a trophy or gave the likes of the top teams a game.
This club has been to easily pleased for decades , we need winners not dreamers or bluff merchant s.
Stones well , still doing daft things that can't be passed off as he is still learning.
Del , well if you want a star that plays for 50 minutes every 6 games there's your man.
Barkley well ,who knows isn't taking the next step., and still picks the wrong pass as much as the right pass.
Rom , yes a star , but we were set up to play to him , and to easy to counter when he wasn't in the mood, only one I would have kept, suspect if he has two good years at unt he will start his games again to get a move.
We need to get a decent core together then add to it , looks like that's what the manager is doing.

 

[DownOnTheUpside]

And they must be in their early 20s. If they are 16, 17 that will be even better.

 

[Zatara]

I am not sure that some of them weren't cubik Zirconia Zat mate?

Only Lukaku of those players is a 'jewel'. One is decent. One is inconsistent and overhyped. And the other is an unfit, one dimensional yard dog.

NEXT

Neither Stones, Lukaku, nor Barkley want to play for us. Deulofeu was only rarely physically capable of playing more than 45 minutes at a time for us, and we had no control over whether or not Barca invoked his buy-back clause.

We have one of the most promising youth sides in Europe.

Of course this is all obvious to anyone with even the most passive interest in Everton, so I assume the initial post, which ignores all of it, is just the usual bored internet WUMmery - in which case, not even worth the brief amount of time anyone is devoting to responding.

Best side we have had in 30 years had no 'jewels' when we did get one (lineker) it all went belly up!

Stones, Lukaku, Ged and Barkley came nowhere near winning anything for us.

Meh.

...I might be wrong but we didn't look like winning much with Lukaku, Stones, Barkley and Deulofeu in the team. If you have a new Coach he needs to bring his own players in and his own team model. If Koeman fails he'll be gone. Saying all of that, I don't think he could do much with the exits of Lukaku, Barkley or Stones.

We needed change, we're getting change. We all have players we'd like to stay but you have to let the manager get on with it.

Stones will have to hit the ground running this coming season or he will be on the City scrap heap.

Lukaku will score but won't improve United to the extent they hope.

Del was always on a stupid contract as was always going back. He is also not suited to this league.

Barkley sadly is an idiot. His lifestyle choices are wrong for a supossed top class sportsman and he is not the player we hoped he would be.
Every manager has benched him.

They all won nothing here and will all be forgotten about.

Whats the flaws of players who weve sold for good money got to do with their replacements being nowhere near the quality or potential star quality of them?

Lukaku + Stones sold for a fortune and the first signings we went for were Williams and Rooney...

 

[Zatara]

I just give up with some topics. Utterly infuriating is me being nice.

And sadly the world seems to have given up on you. Go and play with your dog or something.

 

[Zatara]

Someone find this brat his dummy.

Clearly that's you.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Our "jewels"?! Sweet suffering Christ, that's gotta be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on here and that really takes some doing! Those "jewels" your talking about delivered nothing, absolutely nothing here. They all failed miserably if you want to be blunt about it and the biggest contribution all four of them made for us was the profit we sold them for. Dry your eyes and change your sheets lad, you've had a mare here!

 

[ToffeeTim]

Whats the flaws of players who weve sold for good money got to do with their replacements being nowhere near the quality or potential star quality of them?

Lukaku + Stones sold for a fortune and the first signings we went for were Williams and Rooney...

If we sign Siguurdson, a good forward, and a good centre half, then our squad and starting XI are both miles better. And we are closer to winning something. We won nothing with these 'jewels'. We didn't look like winning anything, not even close.

 

[jal123]

Oh just shut up Zat

This, in any thread he posts.

 

[orly]

I didn't actually think this was that bad a thread tbh

If after Martinez's first season you said to a blue "all four of those players will be sold by end of summer 2017" you'd think it would only be because we'd financially imploded or got relegated.

From a business point of view, if you said in 2013/14 or whatever "we will make £170m+ profit on those four" you'd have been shocked

 

[yakublue]

Our "jewels"?! Sweet suffering Christ, that's gotta be the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on here and that really says somthing! Those "jewels" your talking about delivered nothing, absolutely nothing here. They all failed miserably if you want to be blunt about itand the biggest contribution all four of them made for us was the profit we sold them for. Dry your eyes and change your sheets lad, you've had a mare here!

You can't really say that about Lukaku, who was the best striker to play for the club in my lifetime. Bar maybe lineker but I don't remember that.

 

[Zatara]

@Zatara

"Weve brought in an ageing star and a lot of supporting cast members..."

Signings thus far before we're finished:

Pickford
Martina - Obvious stop-gap
Keane
Klaassen
Sandro
Henry
Sigurdsson (formality)
Rooney - Ageing maybe but it's Wayne frigging Rooney.

Who are the quality replacements you wanted for (fill in the blanks):

Deulofeu:
Barkley:
Lukaku:

And....you've listed Rooney and a bunch of non-stars (supporting cast members)

 

[Runcornblue52]

Whats the flaws of players who weve sold for good money got to do with their replacements being nowhere near the quality or potential star quality of them?

Lukaku + Stones sold for a fortune and the first signings we went for were Williams and Rooney...

Yup......Both upgrades !

 

[Papa Shango]

Didn't they all play in two semi-finals in Martinez' last year? I'd say that was reasonably close.

Aye, they were never ever winning those games though, because that's what we do. It's what we will always do if we don't stop pining over losers.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

I cant be bothered to go back to last seasons discussions when we hired the bloke but he's not a successful manager unless we class Holland as the epicentre of glory.

Why would you go back to those discussions? It's not about previous achievements but rather a desire to succeed in the future, laying out that plan committing to it and then walking the way you talk and vice versa. The players he has brought in have for the most part massively backed themselves and that says a lot about the new mindset that he is bringing in / instilling.

Keane: Could've resigned with Utd, chose to forge his own path.

Sandro: Cast off by his old club he could've warmed bench at Valencia, Atl. Madrid, Sevilla etc.(out of spain) because his stock was so low but he chose first team football and killed it for a distinctly average Malaga side.

Klaassen: Been a leader forever it seems. Captain of Ajax at 22 and leaves his cushy life to test himself and achieve more while going massively down the pecking order compared to his old club.