Ban the Burka

[BlackToffee]

I'm with Matt on this one....If you even want to start-up a business in UAE you have to have a local UAE resident "sponsor" who effectively does fuk-all yet takes 10% of your profits....Can you imagine it if you leveraged that deal at Mr Al Fayed when he bought Harrods..

scuse me mr Mr Fayed but 10% of your annual profits are to be paid to Gerry from Lark lane!!!

Our Country and society in general is both open and tolerant of all religions, cultures, faiths, and beliefs....yet ther are some who seek to undermine that and the Burka is one statement of defiance, that effectively says "thanks but fuk u"....

Ban it ...ban it now.....and our society will be better for it

While you're at it, why not force the expats in spain to get off their arses and lean spanish.

...and what different would the ban make and how would you enforce it?

I don't think you get it yet. They're Britsh citizens, not terrorists. Its only a minority of a minority. And if they are banned and wont come out of their homes without it how does that help society? banning is the worst thing you can do.

I hope I haven't posed too many difficult questions for you to answer.

 

[Matt Damon]

And the punch line and link to banning the burka is?

Get that tax paid you infidel.

Only believers are tax exempt!

 

[BlackToffee]

Get that tax paid you infidel.

As i thought. An intellectual response.

Sits at desk and shouts "next"

 

[Matt Damon]

As i thought. An intellectual response.

Sits at desk and shouts "next"

It's called innuendo. Based on FACHT. That you would have to pay taxes out there even if by some miracle they did grant you nationality - because of your non muslim religion.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

While you're at it, why not force the expats in spain to get off their arses and lean spanish.

...and what different would the ban make and how would you enforce it?

I don't think you get it yet. They're Britsh citizens, not terrorists. Its only a minority of a minority. And if they are banned and wont come out of their homes without it how does that help society? banning is the worst thing you can do.

I hope I haven't posed too many difficult questions for you to answer.

If you live as a ex-pat in a foreign county, you should in my opinion embrace that county's traditions, culture, and language so yes all the ex-pats in Spain should be made to "naturalise" or do-one back to wherever they came from...

As for British Muslims who decide to wear the full Monty, then I say why? ...$his society will open its arms to those who wish to integate and have skills and experience to offer, but by wearing the Burka, you are effectively cutting yourself off....I have nothing against the wearing of a veil, or head-scarf or turban, or skull-cap, but the Burka is a step too far in my opinion and leads me to believe that the wearers or more importantly their spouses/families wish to segregate them from our society.

Honestly I don' know how you would enforce it, I'm not the home secretary or the MET chief of Police...if handled incorrectly it could lead to a race riot every time some 50 year old woman was lifted off the streets by a black mariah! ...It will be interesting following the French and how they handle it.

The banning will I agree in the initial stages force people indoors, but this is something that wont change overnight, over time/generations it would ease racial integration, and help bring down the racial barriers of ignorance suspicion and fear..

 

[BlackToffee]

It's called innuendo. Based on FACHT. That you would have to pay taxes out there even if by some miracle they did grant you nationality - because of your non muslim religion.

I fully accept that they discriminate against non muslims. Accepted in full. So do the Spanish when a UK national opens a Spanish Bar. Are you therefore saying that gives us some right to discriminate against British Citizens because they belong to a different religion or happen to wear the wrong unfashionable gear? A simple yes or no would do. I'd even take a fully thought out rationale because frankly mate, your failing big time here. And if Mutzo wants to string a few words together of his own join the party.

PS Love the tag. Is that "our" bluemoon? Now that should have a thread of its own.

 

[little curly alan ball]

Dont start on The Gays FFS.

Hahaha .

 

[Matt Damon]

I fully accept that they discriminate against non muslims. Accepted in full. So do the Spanish when a UK national opens a Spanish Bar. Are you therefore saying that gives us some right to discriminate against British Citizens because they belong to a different religion or happen to wear the wrong unfashionable gear? A simple yes or no would do. I'd even take a fully thought out rationale because frankly mate, your failing big time here. And if Mutzo wants to string a few words together of his own join the party.

PS Love the tag. Is that "our" bluemoon? Now that should have a thread of its own.

Its merely a comment that they made that they wanted to annihilate us.

Its there to remind people of this.


Just as I've been reminding that - contrary to your benign humanistic viewpoint - it's not one thats shared culturally over there.

PS. You only think its failing because the arguments obviously so far over your head and you've not experienced what I'm talking about - you're actually unable to comment!

 

[chicoazul]

orders usherette over*

 

[BlackToffee]

If you live as a ex-pat in a foreign county, you should in my opinion embrace that county's traditions, culture, and language so yes all the ex-pats in Spain should be made to "naturalise" or do-one back to wherever they came from...

As for British Muslims who decide to wear the full Monty, then I say why? ...$his society will open its arms to those who wish to integate and have skills and experience to offer, but by wearing the Burka, you are effectively cutting yourself off....I have nothing against the wearing of a veil, or head-scarf or turban, or skull-cap, but the Burka is a step too far in my opinion and leads me to believe that the wearers or more importantly their spouses/families wish to segregate them from our society.

Honestly I don' know how you would enforce it, I'm not the home secretary or the MET chief of Police...if handled incorrectly it could lead to a race riot every time some 50 year old woman was lifted off the streets by a black mariah! ...It will be interesting following the French and how they handle it.

The banning will I agree in the initial stages force people indoors, but this is something that wont change overnight, over time/generations it would ease racial integration, and help bring down the racial barriers of ignorance suspicion and fear..[/QUOT]

Thank you for an answer. Thank you. strange how nobody talks about traditional Jews. OK, they don't cover their faces, but they "keep to their own" don't use the internet, women have to wear a wig when going out. Women are not allowed to shake the hands of a man. Women are not seen as being divorced by their community if not sanctioned by a Jewish Court, which is a court "recognised" by Britain in family issues. Sound familiar? We don't impose legal sanctions upon them do we. I wonder why?

Yet, many of their practises are not much different from Muslims.

Perhaps you should wait for the first race riots in france before you look on it favourably becuase they will soon find that it is unenforceable, and if it forces women in their homes at the hand of men who force them to wear it, how does that help integration?

I suspect that the measure will encourage more women to wear the burka as a fcuk you. And the one thing we can both agree on is that I don't want more women wearing it, I want less, but I don't want to force them indoors.

 

[little curly alan ball]

This thing about Languages ; I learnt my first language because I joined a German ship . I could've stayed speaking English - it is the International Maritime Language , Delta , Charlie , etc .

However , given that the Ship was in fact , German Territory , I accepted their customs , and with the exception of installing a 1980 Everyton FC Calendar in the mess room , which attracted some strange comments , admittedly .

Point was , I didn't try to get them all saying , " D'ya know warra mean , mate ??? " Piss poor analogy , but you take my point . I adapted to THEIR rules . It was THEIR Country .

For ANYONE NOT to acknowledge the open belligerence of a considreable group , whom incidentally , have absolutely NO intention of ever returning to said , Arab Lands , due to the fact that here is no internet , cars , holidays , or well , plumbing , but make videos - paid for by the Social , saying they're gonna blow up your Nanna , because of them , is patently just not paying attention .

The Finsbury Park Mosque is PROVEN to be anything BUT a Holy Place . Yet , for us to raise an eyebrow / voice upon the issue makes us Racist Litttle Englanders . My Father would turn in his grave . No [Poor language removed] .

Yet , here we are .

Also , Schengen ...??? ( Granted , with the complicity of our E.U. partners , yet still a fact . )

 

[BlackToffee]

Its merely a comment that they made that they wanted to annihilate us.

Its there to remind people of this.


Just as I've been reminding that - contrary to your benign humanistic viewpoint - it's not one thats shared culturally over there.

PS. You only think its failing because the arguments obviously so far over your head and you've not experienced what I'm talking about - you're actually unable to comment!

So, who is they? The British Citizens wearing the burka? So these 50 year old women want to wipe us out. Bit of an unfair fight i'd say. All I can see is a bitter person conveniently mixing up two different issues and latching onto a BNP policy to make those ideas look respectable. Or it could be that I'm so inexperienced at being discriminated against due to my race that I fail to see your point. If you've read my other posts you'll realise what I've been through, even when supporting Everton so I really wouldn't go there.

 

[chicoazul]

I ate a kebab in Greece.

 

[BlackToffee]

This thing about Languages ; I learnt my first language because I joined a German ship . I could've stayed speaking English - it is the International Maritime Language , Delta , Charlie , etc .

However , given that the Ship was in fact , German Territory , I accepted their customs , and with the exception of installing a 1980 Everyton FC Calendar in the mess room , which attracted some strange comments , admittedly .

Point was , I didn't try to get them all saying , " D'ya know warra mean , mate ??? " Piss poor analogy , but you take my point . I adapted to THEIR rules . It was THEIR Country .

For ANYONE NOT to acknowledge the open belligerence of a considreable group , whom incidentally , have absolutely NO intention of ever returning to said , Arab Lands , due to the fact that here is no internet , cars , holidays , or well , plumbing , but make videos - paid for by the Social , saying they're gonna blow up your Nanna , because of them , is patently just not paying attention .

The Finsbury Park Mosque is PROVEN to be anything BUT a Holy Place . Yet , for us to raise an eyebrow / voice upon the issue makes us Racist Litttle Englanders . My Father would turn in his grave . No [Poor language removed] .

Yet , here we are .

Also , Schengen ...??? ( Granted , with the complicity of our E.U. partners , yet still a fact . )

But, but but. THey are British citizens, not foreigners. Many are white converts. Integration doesn't mean becoming dark skinned white people. I speak patois, I also speak London. When England play, say Ghana or Nigeria, I fail the cricket test time and again. Am I less British? You think that where in a holy war. OK, I can see that point, but is a 50 year old women who may speak perfect english, but wears a burka and is a minority within a minority on the front line of that holy war?

At least we are getting to the real arguments against the burka.

Thank you LCAB. Personally though, if I was you, I'd stick to passing on inside information about our great club and take your own advice not to post. Then again I said the same to myself and look where its got me.

 

[little curly alan ball]

I ate a kebab in Greece.

YOU are a BAD , BAD , man .