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Bigger Club: Everton or Man City

Lads?

  • Everton FC

    Votes: 38 17.1%

  • Manchester City FC

    Votes: 143 64.4%

  • Cheese on Oil Money Toast

    Votes: 41 18.5%
  • Total voters
    222
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I'll never understand why people even care about how "big" their club is. What does it even matter? Everton are the only club that actually matters in my world, everyone else from Bury to Barcelona are irrelevant and lesser to me and I can't imagine anyone that's older then 15 years old and still seriously following the team/club they've always follwed not feeling the same way. Honestly, if you're an adult why would you even care about how big the club is/isnt? The only people I know that truly put stock in the notion of following a "big club" are emotionally stunted losers that became glory hunters in a pathetic attempt at manking the utter wasteland that is their life look less tragic then it really is by attaching themselves to what they perceive as success via proxy.
 
Big club argument is bollox. Seems to incorporate stadium size, global fan base and previous honours. If you win for long enough, all of the above will grow. You are what (and where) you are.
 

davek said:
There's only three clubs that ever nade a big deal about European succss historically speaking...

Wolves (believe it or not the trailblazers in that respect); Busby's United and Liverpool once Shankly got there.

We literally became arsed about Europe post the Panathanaikos mugging - I dont get the impression Catterick was particulalry exercised by Europe, unlike that freak Shankly. I can vaguely remember a mid 70s encounter when Milan beat us over two legs on a dodgy pen. I remember my older brother making a big deal of that at the time so I think Everton's interest and intent to do better in Europe possibly dates from that.
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I think you're over egging the impact that your brother vocalising his disappointment may have had on the European ambitions of our great club.
 
Football as we knew it has gone. City are one of the main reasons. I hope they've broken that many laws that they go bust and it serves as a warning to other clubs who win the lottery.

As for the bigger thing.... measured on what? Finances? Global reach (now)? trophies (recent) then it's them but rest assured if we won the FA cup we'd have three times as many fans on our parade as they will later parading all 3.
 
DavidH said:
Football as we knew it has gone. City are one of the main reasons. I hope they've broken that many laws that they go bust and it serves as a warning to other clubs who win the lottery.

As for the bigger thing.... measured on what? Finances? Global reach (now)? trophies (recent) then it's them but rest assured if we won the FA cup we'd have three times as many fans on our parade as they will later parading all 3.
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I agree with the first part of that, it's changed so much but I think Chelsea were one of the first to do it in such a way and City just followed on from that. Newcastle may be the next but at the moment, despite their 4th placed finish I think they will find it a lot harder to do what City have done.

Time has moved on since some of your other points though. You say recent trophies but they have won far more than us overall now. They have got 26 major honours to our 15 - both have the same number of titles but they now have the European Cup which they also won as part of a Treble.

Fanbase wise, I do think we traditionally had a bigger "matchgoing" following because of our success compared to their lack of it for decades, and that is sometimes shown with them struggling to sell out Semi Finals, empty seats at the Etihad or some poor away followings not long after the takeover. But they currently get 54K crowds and are expanding to 60K.

Important to remember they have always had the potential for big support too - 84,000 attendance was an English record until Spurs were allowed to play at Wembley.
 

TraffordBlue said:
I agree with the first part of that, it's changed so much but I think Chelsea were one of the first to do it in such a way and City just followed on from that. Newcastle may be the next but at the moment, despite their 4th placed finish I think they will find it a lot harder to do what City have done.

Time has moved on since some of your other points though. You say recent trophies but they have won far more than us overall now. They have got 26 major honours to our 15 - both have the same number of titles but they now have the European Cup which they also won as part of a Treble.

Fanbase wise, I do think we traditionally had a bigger "matchgoing" following because of our success compared to their lack of it for decades, and that is sometimes shown with them struggling to sell out Semi Finals, empty seats at the Etihad or some poor away followings not long after the takeover. But they currently get 54K crowds and are expanding to 60K.

Important to remember they have always had the potential for big support too - 84,000 attendance was an English record until Spurs were allowed to play at Wembley.
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It's painful to measure anything they've won since they got taken over against us though. It's a reality I'll have to accept though because it's not changing.

I suspect they will have lost a lot of young fans during the 90s who switched to Utd before they grew up properly.
 
Tom Hughes said:
Our decline probably started even earlier. The 80s was possibly an anomaly, the last hurrah of the old guard when the planets aligned one last time.

All that said, City were nobodies from nowhere half a generation ago. So who knows what's possible?

Reckon we would've taken far more to Istanbul too.... 😉
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Will never be able to shake off my belief that the ban from Europe is was the beginning of the end. Clutching at straws maybe but if we had won the European Cup that season I'm sure that would have carried us into the Premier League era in a more healthy state than we did
 
tommytowne said:
Will never be able to shake off my belief that the ban from Europe is was the beginning of the end. Clutching at straws maybe but if we had won the European Cup that season I'm sure that would have carried us into the Premier League era in a more healthy state than we did
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I’m not convinced unfortunately. Yes it would have been a great achievement and I absolutely think we would have been favourites but Everton as a club have never been able to sustain a good number of successive years of success. it would have made us stronger as a club, I still think with the Board at that time we eventually would have ended up where we are now. Kenwright was invited in to the board at the time. It’s like inviting a vampire into your house.
 
Deciding to replace Kendall with Harvey (because that's what you do innit? It always works - no it worked once with Shankley/Paisley, other than that it's a recipe for failure!) was the death of our chance to have lasting meaning. We've been declining since then and trying (and failing) to play catch up. Harvey may have been a nice bloke (and a good footballer) but nice blokes rarely make good managers. Just shows that the Everton board have always been crap! City's board on the other hand, they know what they're doing. Light years ahead of us.
 
I’m newly 50 yrs old (ugh) and for the majority of my life Everton far the bigger club.

but they got a new stadium, got bought by the qataris, and had a period of unlimited funding and then huge success. They’re miles ahead of us and far bigger as a club regardless of history.

modern football and all that.

at least they boil piss over at Mordor!
 

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