2019/20 Bill Kenwright

[Papa Shango]

Absolutely not, most teams depend on a sell to buy policy. I’m saying the lack of investment was a massive hindrance. The lack of everything under his leadership has led to us falling behind many clubs in terms of stature and commercial aspects not just because he hasn’t been able to provide us a decent transfer kitty.

Many clubs during Kenwrights rein at Everton have fallen into money through various investments and take overs, I find it very difficult to believe there was no forthcoming interest in people wanting to invest into our football club.

Why did the players we had still want to leave despite our salary increases? Because we were unable to compete with the clubs above us and challenge consistently for trophies and play in the champions league. Do you believe those players we sold, which waned to leave, wouldn’t have stuck around had we the resources and ambition to compete amongst the top?

Many clubs have fallen into money? Loads of fallen into massive debt too. See this is what I don't get (and sorry I don't mean to just kick off on you, people in general) you say you find it very difficult to believe there was no forthcoming interest in us? Why exactly? It's a mugs game investing in football clubs unless you are stupidly rich and don't care what happens to your investment. Nobody would be interested in is because we were in debt. It needed to be cleared and some people seem to think that the best way to do that would be to splurge a load of money on players. It's madness.

The players wanted to leave to compete for honours (and extra money no doubt) again if we cant afford that then why pretend we can and put the club in jeopardy? We offered what we could (many instances of breaking our wage structure) but the clubs with stupid money could blow us out of the water. We offered the likes of Baines, Jagielka, Coleman etc deals often to keep them here, we offered bigger deals to those that left and dug our heels in when offers came in before letting them go for large fees which were then turned back into the play staff. Pretty much every sale was turned into transfer money or wage restructuring. We could not provide a decent transfer kitty because the money simply was not there. I still never see an answer to what people wanted to happen there other than bringing in some mythical billionaire.

They may have stayed if we were constantly challenging for stuff, of course that's possible, but that wasn't the case and we were not going to be challenging under those circumstances as the club was being managed away from debt into a more stable position. It was a necessary period of frustration which we should have been seeing the benefits of now but well...now we are making poor decisions.

 

[Papa Shango]

I don't think we can move forward until he goes. I don't understand why the sentimental lovey still has such a say in matters.

What exactly is he stopping?

 

[granter79]

I don't think we can move forward until he goes. I don't understand why the sentimental lovey still has such a say in matters.

Exactly. One part of the problem. He goes and Mosh needs to let Brands do his job. Mosh also needs to stay away from football related decisions

 

[larrygobfiend]

What exactly is he stopping?

Well, apparently he's pushing for Moyes to come back. I'm sure he has a say in other things, such as Big Dunc hanging around like a mascot, putting out cones.

 

[Papa Shango]

Well, apparently he's pushing for Moyes to come back. I'm sure he has a say in other things, such as Big Dunc hanging around like a mascot, putting out cones.

Absolute conjecture based on nothing though?

It seems a lot of people want Moyes back (for some unknown reason...) so he would not be alone there if it was indeed true which it probably isn't.

Who is on the coaching staff will have nothing to do with board members.

 

[larrygobfiend]

Absolute conjecture based on nothing though?

It seems a lot of people want Moyes back (for some unknown reason...) so he would not be alone there if it was indeed true which it probably isn't.

Who is on the coaching staff will have nothing to do with board members.

Okay then mate, what do you think Blue Bill brings to the table? He's been the one constant throughout our period of being utterly gash and he's still at the club, right by Moshiri's side.

 

[Lob]

I can picture Bill sitting there in meetings adamant that the only man who can sort us out is his mate David Moyes and he will probably have garnered some support from others too such as Denise. The only way we can get out of this infinite loop of poor decision making and mediocrity and start moving forward is for Moshiri to have a full clear out of the decision makers and replace them with experienced professionals who can run a football club competently and then he himself needs to also take a step back and just oversee as he isn't good enough at running football clubs either.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

Absolute conjecture based on nothing though?

It seems a lot of people want Moyes back (for some unknown reason...) so he would not be alone there if it was indeed true which it probably isn't.

Who is on the coaching staff will have nothing to do with board members.

I agree with him about the Dunc thing, yeah there isn't actual fact to say that it's all down to Kenwright; but he has survived what? 3 managerial posts now and hasn't been close to leaving, yet the other managers staff are all released at the same time.

Kenwright does seem to have a crazy loyalty to mediocrity, it wasn't that long ago that he stuck a big mural on the side of the ground for a manager who got us fifth.

If he doesn't have that much of an influence then why is he still around? I think he's outstayed his welcome now.

 

[Papa Shango]

Okay the mate, what do you think Blue Bill brings to the table? He's been the one constant throughout our period of being utterly gash and he's still at the club, right by Moshiri's side.

To be fair I don't think you have to delve too far to see my feelings on the whole Kenwright thing but...

He has been an acceptable chairman in a very tough time for the club, during that time we have got away from the lower end of the table, built a lot of good will away from the pitch and have managed to steadily be in the upper echelons of the premier league. We have gone from a team facing the abyss to one that is comfortably away from it.

Was it a time full of trophies and honours? No of course not, do we all want that? Of course we do, but it as a necessary evil to put up with whilst we sorted ourselves out.

I am neither a fan or a hater of him, I just think our fans are somewhat delusional when it comes to what could have been. They are/were demanding Leeds United style risks and another chairman may have done that and who knows where we would be now (to be fair we could have been in a better place too...is that a risk you are willing to take though?)

 

[everton1953]

None of us know anything about who says what or does what at the Everton board level. It is all based on speculation, and pet loves and pet hates are aired based on just that speculation. I know them or most of them by sight but know nothing about their strengths and weaknesses. For all I know, Kenwright did and does a great job for the club he loves. I have posted a few "where's the money Bill" jibes down the years but only in fun. He is a favourite target for some who create an imaginary villain to support their opinions.

 

[Papa Shango]

I agree with him about the Dunc thing, yeah there isn't actual fact to say that it's all down to Kenwright; but he has survived what? 3 managerial posts now and hasn't been close to leaving, yet the other managers staff are all released at the same time.

Kenwright does seem to have a crazy loyalty to mediocrity, it wasn't that long ago that he stuck a big mural on the side of the ground for a manager who got us fifth.

If he doesn't have that much of an influence then why is he still around? I think he's outstayed his welcome now.

Oh this mural thing!

It was a massive advert! One that changes over time! I thought it looked boss personally (and hides over how tatty the main stand is)

I do wonder what people assume Kenwright does. He wont be involved in murals (marketing team surely) nor who the coaches are (management staff) im sure people blame him for what urinal cakes we use at the ground etc.

Other staff will have left because they came with the manager at the time and followed them to other roles.

Ferguson may be really good at something we are not aware of, who knows? Manager have a lot of power these days especially when they first come to a club, there is no way that they all willingly had a coach forced upon them, especially the likes of Koeman who doesn't mince his words etc.

 

[ArtetaMoney]

Oh this mural thing!

It was a massive advert! One that changes over time! I thought it looked boss personally (and hides over how tatty the main stand is)

I do wonder what people assume Kenwright does. He wont be involved in murals (marketing team surely) nor who the coaches are (management staff) im sure people blame him for what urinal cakes we use at the ground etc.

Other staff will have left because they came with the manager at the time and followed them to other roles.

Ferguson may be really good at something we are not aware of, who knows? Manager have a lot of power these days especially when they first come to a club, there is no way that they all willingly had a coach forced upon them, especially the likes of Koeman who doesn't mince his words etc.

There's no facts to prove that he doesn't have the final say on all that stuff, either.

It's easy to blame Kenwright for all of it because he is the one constant. Why is he still around when he said for years he was looking to sell the club? That was a few years back now yet he's still there in an influential position and we haven't progressed.

 

[MikeH72]

Absolute conjecture based on nothing though?

It seems a lot of people want Moyes back (for some unknown reason...) so he would not be alone there if it was indeed true which it probably isn't.

Who is on the coaching staff will have nothing to do with board members.

You can’t seriously believe that?

 

[Carlito]

To be fair I don't think you have to delve too far to see my feelings on the whole Kenwright thing but...

He has been an acceptable chairman in a very tough time for the club, during that time we have got away from the lower end of the table, built a lot of good will away from the pitch and have managed to steadily be in the upper echelons of the premier league. We have gone from a team facing the abyss to one that is comfortably away from it.

Was it a time full of trophies and honours? No of course not, do we all want that? Of course we do, but it as a necessary evil to put up with whilst we sorted ourselves out.

I am neither a fan or a hater of him, I just think our fans are somewhat delusional when it comes to what could have been. They are/were demanding Leeds United style risks and another chairman may have done that and who knows where we would be now (to be fair we could have been in a better place too...is that a risk you are willing to take though?)

We often bemoan our lack of luck, but I sometimes wonder if we used it all up during Kenwright's most prolific years.

We were lucky that one of the best players of his generation came along in time to be sold for £10m up front, or else the club would have gone into administration.

We were lucky that Destination Kirkby fell through, or else we'd be playing in a soulless breeze block monstrosity in the middle of a retail park.

We were lucky that no one came in for Moyes before he navigated the club through three years of zero first team investment from 2009-12.

We were lucky that Philip Green went bust, or else a significant number of shares would still be ring-fenced within the portfolios of phoney investors, e.g. Robert Elstone.

There were some laughs along the way, too, so I suppose it wasn't all bad. My personal favourite was the lifelong supporter who headed up the fictitious Fortress Sports Fund, back when Kenwright was stalling to collapse Kings Dock in order to get shut of the Greggs. If I recall correctly, when pressed to name his favourite player, past or present, he found that 30 years' worth of life-affirming memories suddenly deserted him.

The Arteta money would be a close second: 'The money will be there for David to spent in January.' Yes, January 2012.

 

[John Barton]

Our club once had a player on the books, who had been voted Australia most popular sportsman in the past 25 years.
During his time here, never once did the club use his popularity to tour the country, no speculation or conjecture about that, its fact.
An opportunity missed massively to market our club and enhance a fanbase abroad..
Kenwright sure knows how to look after his theatre business, but not OUR football club