2019/20 Bill Kenwright

[4737carlin]

Our club once had a player on the books, who had been voted Australia most popular sportsman in the past 25 years.
During his time here, never once did the club use his popularity to tour the country, no speculation or conjecture about that, its fact.
An opportunity missed massively to market our club and enhance a fanbase abroad..
Kenwright sure knows how to look after his theatre business, but not OUR football club

Unlike Moshiri who is doing a great job.

 

[Jim Hopper]

To be fair I don't think you have to delve too far to see my feelings on the whole Kenwright thing but...

He has been an acceptable chairman in a very tough time for the club, during that time we have got away from the lower end of the table, built a lot of good will away from the pitch and have managed to steadily be in the upper echelons of the premier league. We have gone from a team facing the abyss to one that is comfortably away from it.

Was it a time full of trophies and honours? No of course not, do we all want that? Of course we do, but it as a necessary evil to put up with whilst we sorted ourselves out.

I am neither a fan or a hater of him, I just think our fans are somewhat delusional when it comes to what could have been. They are/were demanding Leeds United style risks and another chairman may have done that and who knows where we would be now (to be fair we could have been in a better place too...is that a risk you are willing to take though?)

Many clubs have fallen into money? Loads of fallen into massive debt too. See this is what I don't get (and sorry I don't mean to just kick off on you, people in general) you say you find it very difficult to believe there was no forthcoming interest in us? Why exactly? It's a mugs game investing in football clubs unless you are stupidly rich and don't care what happens to your investment. Nobody would be interested in is because we were in debt. It needed to be cleared and some people seem to think that the best way to do that would be to splurge a load of money on players. It's madness.

The players wanted to leave to compete for honours (and extra money no doubt) again if we cant afford that then why pretend we can and put the club in jeopardy? We offered what we could (many instances of breaking our wage structure) but the clubs with stupid money could blow us out of the water. We offered the likes of Baines, Jagielka, Coleman etc deals often to keep them here, we offered bigger deals to those that left and dug our heels in when offers came in before letting them go for large fees which were then turned back into the play staff. Pretty much every sale was turned into transfer money or wage restructuring. We could not provide a decent transfer kitty because the money simply was not there. I still never see an answer to what people wanted to happen there other than bringing in some mythical billionaire.

They may have stayed if we were constantly challenging for stuff, of course that's possible, but that wasn't the case and we were not going to be challenging under those circumstances as the club was being managed away from debt into a more stable position. It was a necessary period of frustration which we should have been seeing the benefits of now but well...now we are making poor decisions.

I see your points and I don’t disagree with everything you are saying.

I could spend all day nit picking at Kenwrights flaws. It’s not just the finances, it’s the overall running of the club under his tenure. I honestly cannot think of one great thing he has done during his ownership to improve the club? Not one single thing. If so remind me? As far as i can see if anything debts were increasing and borrowing was increasing tenfold under his ownership.

The man who saved this club from turmoil and truly brought some ‘stability’ to the club was David Moyes. Both on the field through his management and off the field with his knack of being able to find a bargain and make a huge sell on profit. Without that Kenwright and Everton in general would have been toast.

 

[John Barton]

Unlike Moshiri who is doing a great job.

Yes, Moshiri has actually put his own money in to clear the debts, unlike your hero who has never put a penny in,

 

[4737carlin]

Yes, Moshiri has actually put his own money in to clear the debts, unlike your hero who has never put a penny in,

Yeah he has put his money in with zero plan, throwing money at it hoping something works was never going to work.

 

[John Barton]

Both on the field through his management and off the field with his knack of being able to find a bargain and make a huge sell on profit.

Yeah,I can see what you mean,how could we ever forget

Richard Wright, Simon Davies,Rodrigo, Bosnar
Beattie, Plessis, Magay Gaye, Kroldrup, VDM, Castillo, Bilyetdinov

 

[Jim Hopper]

Yeah,I can see what you mean,how could we ever forget

Richard Wright, Simon Davies,Rodrigo, Bosnar
Beattie, Plessis, Magay Gaye, Kroldrup, VDM, Castillo, Bilyetdinov

Name one manager who hasn’t made dud signings? One of the greatest of all time Alex Ferguson made loads of dud signings at Man Utd.

It’s hard to disagree with the fact on the whole Moyes had a great knack of getting us quality players for buttons some of whom we went on to make huge profits on. We paid buttons for all of those players above Bilyaletdinov aside. Castillo was a loan signing so don’t know why he’s on that list.

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Yes, Moshiri has actually put his own money in to clear the debts, unlike your hero who has never put a penny in,

No mate - get it right, He put his own money in along with Phil Greens money. In doing so he hamstrung the club for years after, paying back the debt and allowing that slug to effectively control our club.

 

[Papa Shango]

You can’t seriously believe that?

Of course I do. They pick the manager, the manager will pick his staff.

 

[Papa Shango]

Our club once had a player on the books, who had been voted Australia most popular sportsman in the past 25 years.
During his time here, never once did the club use his popularity to tour the country, no speculation or conjecture about that, its fact.
An opportunity missed massively to market our club and enhance a fanbase abroad..
Kenwright sure knows how to look after his theatre business, but not OUR football club

It means nothing that.

Football fans have their teams. A Manchester United fan is not going to start supporting Everton because Tim Cahill plays for them.

The only thing that alters your fanbase abroad is winning things.

 

[Papa Shango]

There's no facts to prove that he doesn't have the final say on all that stuff, either.

It's easy to blame Kenwright for all of it because he is the one constant. Why is he still around when he said for years he was looking to sell the club? That was a few years back now yet he's still there in an influential position and we haven't progressed.

Maybe Moshiri wants him there?

I know its a mad concept...

 

[roydo]

It means nothing that.

Football fans have their teams. A Manchester United fan is not going to start supporting Everton because Tim Cahill plays for them.

The only thing that alters your fanbase abroad is winning things.

True. But a new fan with a burgeoning interest in football/EFL in Australia might make the same utterly insane decision to follow us that we all have made.

Spurs have won zip, have Son, and guess what support they get in South Korea?

 

[Toast]

True. But a new fan with a burgeoning interest in football/EFL in Australia might make the same utterly insane decision to follow us that we all have made.

Spurs have won zip, have Son, and guess what support they get in South Korea?

Is Li Tie still available ?

 

[GwladysBlue]

The fact that this oaf wants Moyes back says all you need to know about his aspirations for Everton. He is so out of touch with the fan base.

Now is the time we start applying real pressure to get the prick out of the club.

 

[Toast]

Our club once had a player on the books, who had been voted Australia most popular sportsman in the past 25 years.
During his time here, never once did the club use his popularity to tour the country, no speculation or conjecture about that, its fact.
An opportunity missed massively to market our club and enhance a fanbase abroad..
Kenwright sure knows how to look after his theatre business, but not OUR football club

I didn't realise Jason Kearton was that popular.

 

[Papa Shango]

I see your points and I don’t disagree with everything you are saying.

I could spend all day nit picking at Kenwrights flaws. It’s not just the finances, it’s the overall running of the club under his tenure. I honestly cannot think of one great thing he has done during his ownership to improve the club? Not one single thing. If so remind me? As far as i can see if anything debts were increasing and borrowing was increasing tenfold under his ownership.

The man who saved this club from turmoil and truly brought some ‘stability’ to the club was David Moyes. Both on the field through his management and off the field with his knack of being able to find a bargain and make a huge sell on profit. Without that Kenwright and Everton in general would have been toast.

EITC is a great thing to be fair...

Again here I wont be giving many great things he has done as an example because I have never said he did great things, I have never said I loved him as chairman or anything either. For me he has done an average job (we were crap before he took over too) and I find the moaning about him in 2019 to be utterly tedious and misguided. I get it we are crap and people need to focus on someone (for some reason our fanbase loves to find someone to target) but it can be a case of us just being crap and thats it. I can't stand pure conjecture and that's what I usually respond to more than anything.

As for Moyes he is a mixed bag for me, did a good job but has also left us with a loser mentality. It does annoy me when people say he "gets Everton". He really didn't.