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Oh, wees free massa!!! Lordy, lordy, lordy, thank god for that.

Yes, I am being patronising because you've not read anything about my own experience. Was you in a flat firebombed by a member of the NF? I was. A woman was killed, falling from the 13th floor. Perhaps I shouldn't have complained. I didn't die. When racists made monkey noises in 1974 at West Ham, perhaps I should have continued to attend Everton matches, not worrying if I would be beaten to a pulp, after all, we're not oppresed. Perhaps I should have sung along with those Evertonians (some of whom are now good mates) who were singing Everton are white?

NO, we're not slaves, but are you arguing that there is no discrimination in society, so basically black people should just button it?

I wish I lived in your honey cloistered world. Perhaps, when terrorists hit London, I won't free afraid that the police may decide to take a pot shot at me, and shoot my face off.

Perhaps as a greatful black I should be happy that I was picked on by the police for two weeks after 7/7 stopped EVERYDAY and searched. Oh, yes, but I'm not oppresed so why complain!!!

I wish I lived in your bubble, I really do.

What bubble is that? When did these events occur mate? 1974? I wasn't born then. It's been 35 years. Black people are no longer oppressed. I'm sorry you had a bad time, it was out of order, and if anything like that still goes on then again that is out of order.

But maybe you should move on also, for your own sanity.
 
Music of Black Origin.

Do you think there would not be an uproar if there was an awards ceremony called:

Music of White Origin

It would not happen.
No it won't, because to be frank it doesn't need to, white is the norm. You don't need to call the BRITS music of white orgin, because we already know that black people rarely get a look in.

Why do you think there is a MOBO's?

Same reason why you have Black led churches.

I won't spell it out. When you appreciate what I am trying to say, you might at least understand, if not agree.

Lets just say, I wonder why there are so few people of colour going to Everton matches, even with a 5% minority population on merseyside?
 
What bubble is that? When did these events occur mate? 1974? I wasn't born then. It's been 35 years. Black people are no longer oppressed. I'm sorry you had a bad time, it was out of order, and if anything like that still goes on then again that is out of order.

But maybe you should move on also, for your own sanity.

Move on from what exactly?
 
Don't care if I offend anyone but people who say blacks are not oppressed, just beacause they officially have the same democratic rights, is living in a bubble as Blacktoffee says
 
Mikel, really, I'm not having a go, but I wish I lived in your world. One where you're given a flat over the phone, only for it to be gone when you turn up in person with the money.

Or where bananas are thrown from cars as you walk, or where a racist sets fire to a house where you are having a party, and someone is killed.

Or where after the most atrocious terrorist attack Britain has faced, you are stopped by the Police EVERYDAY for two weeks, with other visible minorities, while white people go about their business.

Or a situation when you hate your fellow supporters so much, you want your opponents to score.

All of this is no third party reporting, all the above happened to me.

I wish I lived in your world, but I don't. I don't want to dwell on what colour our players are, its largely irrelevant when it comes to performance. Its normally a topic I avoid, but I thought that I would show that Black people have made a contribution to Everton.

I can't really see why its touched a nerve, I'm Black, I'm proud of that, I am also proud to be called an Everton supporter, but in my world, a colour blind world does not exist, not for my everyday life away from supporting Everton.

Eh?

Barrack Obama won that election because he gained a massive interest from the black community who were not previously interested in voting.

However, I believe it was the right man for the job, and he has the right ideas. But he was voted in on the colour of his skin not for his policy, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

So, Black people, being what 25% of the population of America (assuming we throw in other "minorities") managed to "get their man in" over a 75% white population. I am not up on the mechanisms of America, but I can say one thing, after that Cowboy Bush, if Obama was white, he would have won by a landslide and wiped the republicans off the map.

Clearly, we are going to disagree on policy, but that's politics.



The reason I didn't want to get into that is how you define "race" and particularly "mixed race" Did you know that in America, the defintion is simple, one drop of black blood makes you black, irrrespective of your "other" make up.

Don't really care if people want to use the term mixed race, black or dual heritage, HE WAS THE FIRST TO SCORE IN AN FA CUP FINAL (however he is defined). and that is my point - and for that we should be proud, particularly given Everton's perceived racist reputation.

I don't really care what the definition is in America, It's certainly not how I view things, being someone of mixed heritage.

I was correcting you, Mike Trebilcock was the first 'mixed race' footballer to score in a FA cup final. I am not disputing what he did in an FA cup final, and I am very proud of what he and the rest of the Everton team achieved at the time.
 

Mikel, really, I'm not having a go, but I wish I lived in your world. One where you're given a flat over the phone, only for it to be gone when you turn up in person with the money.

Or where bananas are thrown from cars as you walk, or where a racist sets fire to a house where you are having a party, and someone is killed.

Or where after the most atrocious terrorist attack Britain has faced, you are stopped by the Police EVERYDAY for two weeks, with other visible minorities, while white people go about their business.

Or a situation when you hate your fellow supporters so much, you want your opponents to score.

All of this is no third party reporting, all the above happened to me.

I wish I lived in your world, but I don't. I don't want to dwell on what colour our players are, its largely irrelevant when it comes to performance. Its normally a topic I avoid, but I thought that I would show that Black people have made a contribution to Everton.

I can't really see why its touched a nerve, I'm Black, I'm proud of that, I am also proud to be called an Everton supporter, but in my world, a colour blind world does not exist, not for my everyday life away from supporting Everton.



I don't really care what the definition is in America, It's certainly not how I view things, being someone of mixed heritage.

I was correcting you, Mike Trebilcock was the first 'mixed race' footballer to score in a FA cup final. I am not disputing what he did in an FA cup final, and I am very proud of what he and the rest of the Everton team achieved at the time.
i can go with that flow.
 
Whatever it is you are bitter about.

and why do you thnk I'm bitter? I'm a proud black man who loves himself, his history and culture. I am also a proud Evertonian who will stand side by side with all Evertonians to support our team.

You shouldn't assume that a wish to celebrate an event should be someone being bitter. My comments about my experience was an attempt to show those with a colour blind fixation, that the reality in this world, for those who experience it at the business end is not so rosy.
 
Don't care if I offend anyone but people who say blacks are not oppressed, just beacause they officially have the same democratic rights, is living in a bubble as Blacktoffee says

Well I haven't said that at all.
Your exact words were "Well I'm not going to tip toe around the situation. Black people were oppressed, badly. But they are not anymore. Time to move on."

Were as in past tense ghost. Time to move on, as in past tense.
 

and why do you thnk I'm bitter? I'm a proud black man who loves himself, his history and culture. I am also a proud Evertonian who will stand side by side with all Evertonians to support our team.

You shouldn't assume that a wish to celebrate an event should be someone being bitter. My comments about my experience was an attempt to show those with a colour blind fixation, that the reality in this world, for those who experience it at the business end is not so rosy.

Yeah well you don't need to patronise me friend. I am fully aware of what goes on around the world, I know about history.

I can accept that in the 70s life was pretty [Poor language removed], and hard to deal with. But that was a generation ago. Now, in this modern world it's not an issue. People are more civilised, but I believe having awards like MOBO is like choosing a man for a job because he is black and not because he is good at his job.

Highlighting the colour of the person over his/her talent.

It doesn't need to be said anymore. And as Mikel said earlier, when black people start using an offensive word to eachother in film and music, it becomes a little bit pathetic.

Bottom line is whatever colour, whatever race. If you can do the job, then you deserve as much recognition as the next man.
 
Your exact words were "Well I'm not going to tip toe around the situation. Black people were oppressed, badly. But they are not anymore. Time to move on."

Were as in past tense ghost. Time to move on, as in past tense.

Yes, past tense. Black people are not oppressed. Not in this country, in America or anywhere.
 

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