Black History Match Fact...

[Goat]

Thats just it, you look at our players and you see the colour of their skin, me I just see Everton players, I guess that makes you racist?

But your right, ive only got 1 outlook, I dont know "the pain", but the more people talk about skin colour, the more it becomes on issue.

We live in an age in which racism is seen as something thats wrong, rightly so, but we can never get past it as long as some people choose to see issues at every turn. Hence the gangsta rap, they took the n word back and made it their own, its still a very bad word when white people say it, but they have made it diluted I feel.

But again, I have only have 1 viewpoint on it all.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Just a tiny, tiny example. If race had not been squeezed out of the USA election, Obama would never have won. He was judged on the content of his character, not the colour of his skin.

How often does that happen?

Eh?

Barrack Obama won that election because he gained a massive interest from the black community who were not previously interested in voting.

However, I believe it was the right man for the job, and he has the right ideas. But he was voted in on the colour of his skin not for his policy, unfortunately.

 

[davek]

I have heard this about Dixie. I'd really want more proof before I believed it because I'd be shouting it from the rooftop if true, even if he was of dual heritage. It wouldnt surprise me if he was a throw back from an earlier black / white liaision.

I just need a bit more proof, like a family photo as per Giggs, who I really didn't believe was of dual heritage until I saw the photo of his dad

I haven't got a photo link of his family so I cant help you there. The man was, in my mind at least, bi-racial or multi-racial. I haven't seen a picture of him when he didn't look so.

I dont know what he himself thought about the issue (given the times he was brought up in he probably wouldn't have accepted it). While we should respect what someone feels to be their own identity, we shouldn't let all that blind us to the obvious. As I say, it's not an issue for me. But this lingering question surrounding Dean's ethnicity gets up the nose of some people...as if it's an insult of some sort.

 

[ToxtethBlue]

Really, you don't want to go there, really you don't

It'll start a Ryan Giggs thread.

I just have, Mike Trebilcock was mixed race.

 

[BlackToffee]

Thats just it, you look at our players and you see the colour of their skin, me I just see Everton players, I guess that makes you racist?

But your right, ive only got 1 outlook, I dont know "the pain", but the more people talk about skin colour, the more it becomes on issue.

We live in an age in which racism is seen as something thats wrong, rightly so, but we can never get past it as long as some people choose to see issues at every turn. Hence the gangsta rap, they took the n word back and made it their own, its still a very bad word when white people say it, but they have made it diluted I feel.

But again, I have only have 1 viewpoint on it all.

Mikel, really, I'm not having a go, but I wish I lived in your world. One where you're given a flat over the phone, only for it to be gone when you turn up in person with the money.

Or where bananas are thrown from cars as you walk, or where a racist sets fire to a house where you are having a party, and someone is killed.

Or where after the most atrocious terrorist attack Britain has faced, you are stopped by the Police EVERYDAY for two weeks, with other visible minorities, while white people go about their business.

Or a situation when you hate your fellow supporters so much, you want your opponents to score.

All of this is no third party reporting, all the above happened to me.

I wish I lived in your world, but I don't. I don't want to dwell on what colour our players are, its largely irrelevant when it comes to performance. Its normally a topic I avoid, but I thought that I would show that Black people have made a contribution to Everton.

I can't really see why its touched a nerve, I'm Black, I'm proud of that, I am also proud to be called an Everton supporter, but in my world, a colour blind world does not exist, not for my everyday life away from supporting Everton.

Eh?

Barrack Obama won that election because he gained a massive interest from the black community who were not previously interested in voting.

However, I believe it was the right man for the job, and he has the right ideas. But he was voted in on the colour of his skin not for his policy, unfortunately.[/QUOTE]

So, Black people, being what 25% of the population of America (assuming we throw in other "minorities") managed to "get their man in" over a 75% white population. I am not up on the mechanisms of America, but I can say one thing, after that Cowboy Bush, if Obama was white, he would have won by a landslide and wiped the republicans off the map.

Clearly, we are going to disagree on policy, but that's politics.

I just have, Mike Trebilcock was mixed race.

The reason I didn't want to get into that is how you define "race" and particularly "mixed race" Did you know that in America, the defintion is simple, one drop of black blood makes you black, irrrespective of your "other" make up.

Don't really care if people want to use the term mixed race, black or dual heritage, HE WAS THE FIRST TO SCORE IN AN FA CUP FINAL (however he is defined). and that is my point - and for that we should be proud, particularly given Everton's perceived racist reputation.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Mate, 25% of the country decided to vote for Obama, whereas they never voted before. Yes he may have good policies, and those Democrats who voted him in from the white majority population are still not the deciding votes.

And by you not seeing how it has touched a nerve is ridiculous. It's been made an issue from the very first post.

Black people achieving something is not something that should be highlighted from their skin colour. It should be from how they achieved it.

For example 100m sprinters have been dominated by black men and women for years, pretty much all my life. Is it made an issue of? Or is it because it's dominated by black athletes that it is no longer an issue. Similarily with Basketball.

But to go to your final point. Am I proud that we have the first black person to score in an FA Cup final? No, I'm proud we won it, but not just because it was a black person. A person is a person inside regardless of what colour they are, where they are from and what accent they have.

It's about time we all moved on from the celebrate the black man's breakthrough, because until we do we can never move on from the attrocities that once happened.

 

[Goat]

Do you know what gets on my tits, the frigging MOBOs, so badly racist.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Do you know what gets on my tits, the frigging MOBOs, so badly racist.

Well it's not racist, because Martin Luther King was martyred - so they are allowed to promote black music.

Imagine if there was a MOHO awards. That's Music Of Hick Origin. Can you imagine, loads of pickups with shrieking red necks on the back. The winners are always the ones who can win the dueling banjo event.

What's the difference?

 

[Seamus Colemole]

Well it's not racist, because Martin Luther King was martyred - so they are allowed to promote black music.

Imagine if there was a MOHO awards. That's Music Of Hick Origin. Can you imagine, loads of pickups with shrieking red necks on the back. The winners are always the ones who can win the dueling banjo event.

What's the difference?

Surely reading this thread should tell you what the difference is.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Surely reading this thread should tell you what the difference is.

Well I know the difference of course I do. I am being extreme. It's ok to be Black in the media, it's celebrated whenever any Black person is successful in a white man's field. But music is multi-racial and has been since Elvis Presley decided to sing RnB. However I find it offensive that awards for music that I like are named MOBO. What if your a white person who sings rnb. You wrote the song, you sang the song, you played the song. It's not Black origin anymore.

Basically what they are saying is that this is Black's only, but if your not white you can also belong to the club.

 

[ChicagoToffee]

Eh?

Barrack Obama won that election because he gained a massive interest from the black community who were not previously interested in voting.

However, I believe it was the right man for the job, and he has the right ideas. But he was voted in on the colour of his skin not for his policy, unfortunately.

Sorry, but I think that's a pile of crap. Any Democrat was going to run roughshod over McCain - even Gore would have trounced him. The other Dem candidates were essentially worthless. Obama just ran a better campaign - it wasn't a racial vote. It was a youth vote.

I know Americans have a bad racial sterotype but not everything is based on skin color.

 

[DENNIS STEVENS]

Well I know the difference of course I do. I am being extreme. It's ok to be Black in the media, it's celebrated whenever any Black person is successful in a white man's field. But music is multi-racial and has been since Elvis Presley decided to sing RnB. However I find it offensive that awards for music that I like are named MOBO. What if your a white person who sings rnb. You wrote the song, you sang the song, you played the song. It's not Black origin anymore.

Basically what they are saying is that this is Black's only, but if your not white you can also belong to the club.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

Sorry, but I think that's a pile of crap. Any Democrat was going to run roughshod over McCain - even Gore would have trounced him. The other Dem candidates were essentially worthless. Obama just ran a better campaign - it wasn't a racial vote. It was a youth vote.

I know Americans have a bad racial sterotype but not everything is based on skin color.

So the 25% of black people who voted for Obama weren't voting for the very first time?

 

[GhostOfDixie]

I'm here all week.

 

[GhostOfDixie]

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