Black History Month

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Our contribution at West Brom, notice no black women players lol
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Really enjoyed the Adrian Chile's documentary Whites vs Blacks (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b084fmgv) which featured West Brom prominently.

Not to single out West Brom, but some of the crap Black players suffered in the past was dreadful and the Documentary surfaces it really well.

Ian Wright fronted another good one too, think it was 'out of our skins'. Might be a bit out with the title.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

According to the bbc ... but my point is and not that km against it ... why? Its US culture - they're the nation who carried on slavery long after the civilised world ended it, they're the ones who stopped people sitting near whites on buses. Why do we get hammered with it for a month hearingvabout the bad things THEY did as if WE should feel bad about it.

This is the thing though, isn't it, the BBC is there to MAKE people feel bad. It's like the way very poor teachers control a class - make them feel guilty and repress them. It's social control.

But it is not just US culture is it? You've latched onto 'celebrating our sisters' for this year but there's also a focus on Windrush which is a significant part of British sociocultural recent history. Even recently we've seen some pernicious effects of policy on that generation.

 

[chrismpw]

But it is not just US culture is it? You've latched onto 'celebrating our sisters' for this year but there's also a focus on Windrush which is a significant part of British sociocultural recent history. Even recently we've seen some pernicious effects of policy on that generation.

I don't doubt it... so if we're going to do black history month, why can't an institution as big and well funded (well they would be if they didn't throw money at their presenters and need every programme to have several presenters) make up relevant to British culture? British anti-racism fir British racists!!

 

[Littlesue]

Really enjoyed the Adrian Chile's documentary Whites vs Blacks (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b084fmgv) which featured West Brom prominently.

Not to single out West Brom, but some of the crap Black players suffered in the past was dreadful and the Documentary surfaces it really well.

Ian Wright fronted another good one too, think it was 'out of our skins'. Might be a bit out with the title.

Yes, the white v blacks was a testimonial for Len Cantello

 

[davep]

I am sure the broad church that comprises GOT will respect this occasion and discuss it thoughtfully and maturely.

Amen.

Is this about being black or about how brilliant women are?

Have the feminists hijacked another thing to beat their drum as if they're still being enslaved like they were in the 1960s when everything good was done by women but men took the credit and caused cancer by smoking their white privileged in men only meeting rooms?

Or is it about black history, when men and women were exploited by white men and women in Europe and - not often mentioned - black men and women in Africa?

Just be clear- slavery is wrong, prejudice is wrong, sexism is wrong (from either sex) and repression is wrong.

BBC radio 4 will undoubtedly obsess about this "month" all the way to December.

Must be some kind of record for a prophecy coming to fruit...

There has been no commensurate focus solely on black males.

"When's White History Month?"

According to the bbc ... but my point is and not that km against it ... why? Its US culture - they're the nation who carried on slavery long after the civilised world ended it, they're the ones who stopped people sitting near whites on buses. Why do we get hammered with it for a month hearingvabout the bad things THEY did as if WE should feel bad about it.

Ah damnit, I went and missed that bit when we solved racism over here, and our country is a completey fair and equal place for ppl of all races to live.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Both articles in the thread immediately refer to the history of just black women. Ignoring the other half of the population. That's sexism. I just say what I see.

mate?

 

[Walter Ego]

Nice of the white liberals to dedicate a whole month to black history. If I was black I’d be asking how come we only get a month?
I apologise in advance to all the white people who will be desperate to be offended.

 

[chrismpw]

Must be some kind of record for a prophecy coming to fruit...

"When's White History Month?"

Ah damnit, I went and missed that bit when we solved racism over here, and our country is a completey fair and equal place for ppl of all races to live.

You've missed my points entirely. I wasn't asking for white history month at any point. Nor would I. I find such orchestrated themes tedious enough for an evening or a day, let alone taking over the Airways for a month.

We have racism still over here and it is abhorrent. Racism in Britain is part of am entirely different culture with its own story and should be addressed here by our own institutions. We shouldn't be having to listen to US stories about their issues for a month. It kind of suggests racism is a US thing and makes it easier for racists here to fob it off as irrelevant.

 

[davep]

You've missed my points entirely. I wasn't asking for white history month at any point. Nor would I. I find such orchestrated themes tedious enough for an evening or a day, let alone taking over the Airways for a month.

We have racism still over here and it is abhorrent. Racism in Britain is part of am entirely different culture with its own story and should be addressed here by our own institutions. We shouldn't be having to listen to US stories about their issues for a month. It kind of suggests racism is a US thing and makes it easier for racists here to fob it off as irrelevant.

Didn't miss them, they're just wrong. However what I should have typed is "White Lives Matter". What you've posted is essentially equivalent.

A) Why not? B) No-ones forcing you to. But prob you should.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

You've missed my points entirely. I wasn't asking for white history month at any point. Nor would I. I find such orchestrated themes tedious enough for an evening or a day, let alone taking over the Airways for a month.

We have racism still over here and it is abhorrent. Racism in Britain is part of am entirely different culture with its own story and should be addressed here by our own institutions. We shouldn't be having to listen to US stories about their issues for a month. It kind of suggests racism is a US thing and makes it easier for racists here to fob it off as irrelevant.

But we don't?

Granted there is recognition the US perspective is quite a loud one, but it's not something passively accepted by those in the UK.

Understanding and celebrating UK Black History Month | Culture Amp

The Black experience in the UK & US is different – so why do UK Black History Month celebrations still center on Black Americans? Here's why it's a problem.

www.cultureamp.com

 

[coollino]

Looking forward to the month

 

[LEONARD]

I resent these attempts to bring back the CA threads.

Not interested!

 

[Micky_T]

I don't feel qualified to post in this thread. I'm very much white middle class. I know I have white privilege. I acknowledge that people with white privilege are part of the problem but I don't feel like I'm racist. Is that enough to be part of the solution?

I have a very old school photo from Wirral Grammar School in 1987. There's roughly 1,000 people in the photo. It's one of those massive panoramic ones. There is 1 non-white student and 1 non-white teacher. Black people just didn't exist in my upbringing.

I now work for a ftse100 company that has a very well advertised inclusion and diversity policy yet there are still very few black and ethnic people in my office so as a result I have no black friends. Again I acknowledge my white privilege and that I'm not racist but is that enough to be part of the solution?

Genuine question - Is it enough in 2023 to crack on with life thinking that racism isn't my problem, it's not a part of my world or should I be doing more? If so, how does a middle aged white guy do more?

Educate me GOT

 

[Alan Whittle]

You've missed my points entirely. I wasn't asking for white history month at any point. Nor would I. I find such orchestrated themes tedious enough for an evening or a day, let alone taking over the Airways for a month.

We have racism still over here and it is abhorrent. Racism in Britain is part of am entirely different culture with its own story and should be addressed here by our own institutions. We shouldn’t be having to listen to US stories about their issues for a month. It kind of suggests racism is a US thing and makes it easier for racists here to fob it off as irrelevant.

You don’t. It’s not compulsory.

 

[chrismpw]

Didn't miss them, they're just wrong. However what I should have typed is "White Lives Matter". What you've posted is essentially equivalent.

A) Why not? B) No-ones forcing you to. But prob you should.

What I typed is not wrong, what you've read into is wrong. This is entirely on you. I cand do anything about that.