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Boxing

Will anyone be getting the Haye-Fury fight? Haye has put me off from ever paying for a fight with his piss poor title efforts but Sky are doing their usual excellent job at hyping this one.

Think Fury at 11-4 looks very generous.
 
steken1 said:
He's only lost to the best. He can hold his head up regardless, but I wouldn't put him up there with Calazaghe or anyone of that stature.

I don't think that means anything to most boxers these days. If he wanted to avoid Groves and get a bigger fight he probably could have. Maybe even a Ward rematch.
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I personally think his cv is better than jc's. He has travelled across the pond and taken on the best in his division.
 
harry said:
I personally think his cv is better than jc's. He has travelled across the pond and taken on the best in his division.
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He's dodged no one. And to be fair to him he's fought everyone out there.

But, Calzaghe fought at two weights and won belts, beat unbeaten fighters and outclassed fella's like Kessler. Calzaghe's own CV has got greats on there who dodged him almost their whole careers. I think JC would be recognized as one of the very, very best ever had he not be consistently dodged and shook frank warren off sooner.
 
steken1 said:
He's dodged no one. And to be fair to him he's fought everyone out there.

But, Calzaghe fought at two weights and won belts, beat unbeaten fighters and outclassed fella's like Kessler. Calzaghe's own CV has got greats on there who dodged him almost their whole careers. I think JC would be recognized as one of the very, very best ever had he not be consistently dodged and shook frank warren off sooner.
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I have nothing against jc and enjoyed some of his fights but some would argue the opposite abut dodging. Most of his big name victories were against aging fighters and I think he played it a little safe with the wbo belt. It would be interesting if we could get both records up and discuss them. Unfortunately my computer skills just about lets me reply.
 

harry said:
I have nothing against jc and enjoyed some of his fights but some would argue the opposite abut dodging. Most of his big name victories were against aging fighters and I think he played it a little safe with the wbo belt. It would be interesting if we could get both records up and discuss them. Unfortunately my computer skills just about lets me reply.
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I'll have a go now.
 
United Kingdom George Groves N/A - (12) 2013-11-23 United Kingdom Phones4u Arena, Manchester Defending IBF and WBA super-middleweight titles.
Win 31–2 Denmark Mikkel Kessler UD 12 2013-05-25 United Kingdom O2 Arena, London, United Kingdom Retained IBF super-middleweight title.
Won WBA super-middleweight title.
Win 30–2 United States Yusaf Mack KO 3 2012-11-17 United Kingdom Capital FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained IBF super-middleweight title.
Win 29–2 Romania Lucian Bute TKO 5 2012-05-26 United Kingdom Capital FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Won IBF super-middleweight title.
Loss 28–2 United States Andre Ward UD 12 2011-12-17 United States Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States Lost WBC super-middleweight title.
For The Ring/WBA(Super)
super-middleweight titles.
Win 28–1 Jamaica Glen Johnson MD 12 2011-06-04 United States Boardwalk Hall, Atlantic City, New Jersey, United States Retained WBC super-middleweight title.
Win 27–1 Germany Arthur Abraham UD 12 2010-11-27 Finland Hartwall Arena, Helsinki, Finland Won vacant WBC super-middleweight title.
Loss 26–1 Denmark Mikkel Kessler UD 12 2010-04-24 Denmark MCH Messecenter Herning, Herning, Denmark Lost WBC super-middleweight title.
Win 26–0 United States Andre Dirrell SD 12 2009-10-17 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained WBC super-middleweight title.
Win 25–0 United States Jermain Taylor TKO 12 2009-04-25 United States Foxwoods Resort Casino, Mashantucket, Connecticut, United States Retained WBC super-middleweight title.
Win 24–0 Canada Jean Pascal UD 12 2008-12-06 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Won vacant WBC super-middleweight title.
Win 23–0 Poland Albert Rybacki TKO 4 2008-05-10 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom
Win 22–0 United Kingdom Robin Reid RTD 5 2007-11-09 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained British super-middleweight title.
Win 21–0 Russia Sergey Tatevosyan TKO 2 2007-03-23 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom
Win 20–0 United Kingdom Tony Dodson KO 3 2006-11-24 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained British/Commonwealth
super-middleweight titles.
Win 19–0 United Kingdom Brian Magee KO 11 2006-05-26 United Kingdom York Hall, Bethnal Green, London, United Kingdom Retained British/Commonwealth
super-middleweight titles.
Win 18–0 Australia Dale Westerman TKO 9 2006-02-17 United Kingdom York Hall, Bethnal Green, London, United Kingdom Retained Commonwealth
super-middleweight title.
Win 17–0 South Africa Ruben Groenewald TKO 5 2005-02-12 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained Commonwealth
super-middleweight title.
Win 16–0 United Kingdom Matthew Barney PTS 12 2005-07-09 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained British/Commonwealth
super-middleweight titles.
Win 15–0 Costa Rica Henry Porras TKO 8 2005-04-21 United States Avalon, Hollywood, California, United States
Win 14–0 United Kingdom Damon Hague TKO 1 2004-09-24 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained Commonwealth & won vacant British super-middleweight titles.
Win 13–0 Canada Mark Woolnaugh TKO 11 2004-06-02 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Retained Commonwealth
super-middleweight title.
Win 12–0 Ghana Charles Adamu PTS 12 2004-03-12 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom Won Commonwealth
super-middleweight title.
Win 11–0 Belarus Dmitry Adamovich TKO 2 2004-01-30 United Kingdom Dagenham, Essex, United Kingdom
Win 10–0 United Kingdom Alan Page TKO 7 2003-11-28 United Kingdom Derby, Derbyshire, United Kingdom Won vacant English super-middleweight title.
Win 9–0 Armenia Vage Kocharyan PTS 8 2003-10-04 United Kingdom Alexandra Palace, London, United Kingdom
Win 8–0 United Kingdom Michael Monaghan TKO 3 2003-04-16 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom
Win 7–0 Armenia Varuzhan Davtyan TKO 5 2003-03-05 United Kingdom York Hall, Bethnal Green, London, United Kingdom
Win 6–0 France Valery Odin TKO 6 2003-01-28 United Kingdom Trent FM Arena, Nottingham, United Kingdom
Win 5–0 United Kingdom Mike Duffield TKO 1 2002-12-21 United Kingdom Dagenham, London, United Kingdom
Win 4–0 United Kingdom Paul Bonson PTS 6 2002-10-25 United Kingdom York Hall, Bethnal Green, London, United Kingdom
Win 3–0 United Kingdom Darren Covell TKO 1 2002-08-23 United Kingdom York Hall, Bethnal Green, London, United Kingdom
Win 2–0 United Kingdom Ojay Abrahams KO 1 2002-05-10 United Kingdom York Hall, Bethnal Green, London, United Kingdom
Win 1–0 United Kingdom Michael Pinnock
 
Calzaghe

United States Roy Jones Jr. UD 12 8 November 2008 United States Madison Square Garden, New York, New York Retained The Ring Light Heavyweight title.
Win 45–0 United States Bernard Hopkins SD 12 19 April 2008 United States Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada Won The Ring Light Heavyweight title.
Win 44–0 Denmark Mikkel Kessler UD 12 3 November 2007 Wales Millennium Stadium, Cardiff Retained WBO & The Ring and won WBA (Super) & WBC Super Middleweight titles.
Win 43–0 United States Peter Manfredo Jr. TKO 3 (12), 1:30 7 April 2007 Wales Millennium Stadium, Cardiff Retained WBO & The Ring Super Middleweight titles.
Win 42–0 Cameroon Sakio Bika UD 12 14 October 2006 England M.E.N. Arena, Manchester Retained WBO, IBF & The Ring Super Middleweight titles.
Win 41–0 United States Jeff Lacy UD 12 4 March 2006 England M.E.N. Arena, Manchester Retained WBO and won IBF & vacant The Ring Super Middleweight titles.
Win 40–0 Kenya Evans Ashira UD 12 10 September 2005 Wales International Arena, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 39–0 Germany Mario Veit TKO 6 (12), 2:18 7 May 2005 Germany Volkswagen Halle, Braunschweig, Niedersachsen Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 38–0 Egypt Kabary Salem UD 12 22 October 2004 Scotland Royal Highland Showground, Edinburgh Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 37–0 Armenia Mger Mkrtchyan TKO 7 (12), 1:05 21 February 2004 Wales National Ice Rink, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 36–0 United States Byron Mitchell TKO 2 (12), 2:36 28 June 2003 Wales International Arena, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 35–0 United States Tocker Pudwill TKO 2 (12), 0:39 14 December 2002 England Telewest Arena, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 34–0 United States Miguel Ángel Jiménez UD 12 17 August 2002 Wales Cardiff Castle, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 33–0 United States Charles Brewer UD 12 20 April 2002 Wales International Arena, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 32–0 United States Will McIntyre TKO 4 (12), 0:45 13 October 2001 Denmark Parken Stadium, Copenhagen Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 31–0 Germany Mario Veit TKO 1 (12), 1:52 28 April 2001 Wales International Arena, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 30–0 United Kingdom Richie Woodhall TKO 10 (12), 0:28 16 December 2000 England Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, Yorkshire Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 29–0 United States Omar Sheika TKO 5 (12), 2:08 12 August 2000 England Wembley Conference Centre, Wembley, London Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 28–0 United Kingdom David Starie UD 12 29 January 2000 England M.E.N. Arena, Manchester Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 27–0 Australia Rick Thornberry UD 12 5 June 1999 Wales International Arena, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 26–0 United Kingdom Robin Reid SD 12 13 February 1999 England Telewest Arena, Newcastle, Tyne and Wear Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 25–0 Paraguay Juan Carlos Giménez Ferreyra RTD 9 (12), 3:00 25 April 1998 Wales National Ice Rink, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 24–0 Croatia Branko Sobot TKO 3 (12), 1:35 24 January 1998 Wales International Arena, Cardiff Retained WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 23–0 United Kingdom Chris Eubank UD 12 11 July 1997 England Sheffield Arena, Sheffield, Yorkshire Won vacant WBO Super Middleweight title.
Win 22–0 Brazil Luciano Torres TKO 3 (10), 0:52 5 June 1997 England Whitchurch Leisure Centre, Bristol, Avon
Win 21–0 United States Tyler Hughes KO 1 (10), 2:04 22 March 1997 England Wythenshawe Forum, Manchester
Win 20–0 United Kingdom Carlos Christie TKO 2 (10), 1:39 21 January 1997 England Whitchurch Leisure Centre, Bristol, Avon
Win 19–0 United States Pat Lawlor TKO 2 (10), 1:55 15 May 1996 Wales Star Leisure Centre, Cardiff
Win 18–0 United Kingdom Warren Stowe TKO 2 (8), 3:00 4 May 1996 England Goresbrook Leisure Centre, Dagenham, Essex
Win 17–0 United Kingdom Mark Delaney TKO 5 (12), ? 20 April 1996 England International Centre, Brentwood, Essex Retained BBBofC British Super Middleweight title.
Win 16–0 United States Anthony Brooks TKO 2 (10), ? 13 March 1996 England Brent Town Hall, Brent, London
Win 15–0 United States Guy Stanford TKO 1 (10), 1:24 13 February 1996 Wales Welsh Institute of Sport, Cardiff
Win 14–0 United Kingdom Stephen Wilson TKO 8 (12), 2:18 28 October 1995 England Royal Albert Hall, Kensington, London Won vacant BBBofC British Super Middleweight title.
Win 13–0 United Kingdom Nick Manners TKO 4 (8), 2:20 30 September 1995 England Festival Hall, Basildon, Essex
Win 12–0 United States Tyrone Jackson TKO 4 (8), 1:08 8 July 1995 England Barbican Centre, York, Yorkshire
Win 11–0 United States Robert Curry TKO 1 (8), 1:29 19 May 1995 England Elephant & Castle Centre, Southwark, London
Win 10–0 United Kingdom Bobbie Joe Edwards UD 8 22 February 1995 England Ice Rink, Telford, Shropshire
Win 9–0 United States Frank Minton KO 1 (8), 1:25 14 February 1995 England York Hall, Bethnal Green, London
Win 8–0 United Kingdom Trevor Ambrose TKO 2 (8), ? 30 November 1994 England Civic Hall, Wolverhampton, West Midlands
Win 7–0 United Kingdom Mark Lee Dawson TKO 1 (8), ? 1 October 1994 Wales National Ice Rink, Cardiff
Win 6–0 United Kingdom Karl Barwise TKO 1 (6), ? 4 June 1994 Wales National Ice Rink, Cardiff
Win 5–0 United Kingdom Darren Littlewood TKO 1 (6), ? 1 March 1994 England Town Hall, Dudley, West Midlands
Win 4–0 United Kingdom Martin Rosamond TKO 1 (6), ? 22 January 1994 Wales Welsh Institute of Sport, Cardiff
Win 3–0 United Kingdom Spencer Alton TKO 2 (4), ? 16 December 1993 Wales Newport Centre, Newport
Win 2–0 United Kingdom Paul Mason TKO 1 (4), ? 10 November 1993 England Watford Town Hall, Watford, Hertfordshire
Win 1–0 United Kingdom Paul Hanlon
 
Just out of interest, he won the vacant ibf title against lacey and defended against bika (I was at that fight, bloody awful) what happened then, it doesn't show on his next title fight.
 

Good to see JC's record there. Obv a world class fighter and one of our best, but definitely coasted through his mid-career there. Not that it would have been easy to make more meaningful fights, it would have taken determined matchmaking from people that he prob didn't have around him. But a bit of a soft resume as a result 2000-2006. Didn't he have a rough divorce during that time as well? Remember him saying it affected him badly.
 
Hope Haye smashes Fury but think it'll go to points and it really could go either way. They'll both be knackered after 12 rounds and whoever copes with it the best will likely take the win.
 

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