2019/20 Carlo Ancelotti

[BirkenheadBlue]

...and the only way we get the benefit of it is to get all obstacles cleared: Brands, Ferguson, Moshiri's meddling.

lol

 

[Yarrgh]

Under better circumstances Ild have matched Liverpool up with a mix of U23s and fringe first team players yesterday. The result might have been different - either way.

Hindsight is 2020, but that might have been the best way forward. Enough from the senior squad to 'guarantee' a strong chance of winning but then we'd be moaning that we hadn't went for the only silverware available to us. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

 

[davek]

Hindsight is 2020, but that might have been the best way forward. Enough from the senior squad to 'guarantee' a strong chance of winning but then we'd be moaning that we hadn't went for the only silverware available to us. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

Yes, exactly.

He couldn't do it, but that would ideally have been the way to go. If we had the LC final to look forward to maybe he would have surrendered the chance to our own youngsters + fringe players.

 

[BernieH]

Moshiri said you'd all turn after 2 defeats...

 

[dannyboy]

From FourFourTwo:

Everton's pitiful display in the Merseyside derby shows the scale of the challenge for Carlo Ancelotti

That’s a very harsh term, but it’s not an unfair one. Particularly because the longer the game remained scoreless, the more obvious it became that Everton would find a way to lose. It was telling, also, that Ancelotti’s veteran players were among the worst on the pitch and appeared to wilt the quickest. Gylfi Sigurdsson, Lucas Digne and Morgan Schneiderlin were all dismal, Theo Walcott was especially awful.

Instead of giving Everton their critical edge, those players – among others – appeared consumed by what a loss to this Liverpool would mean. Given the same opportunity in the same situation, tougher players of their standing would have relished the opportunity to slap that Liverpool team around. Really good footballers – the ones who have all the technical and emotional attributes – have that habit of giving lessons to young pretenders. They enjoy putting coming generations back in their place. They resent their achingly fashionable haircuts and colourful boots and take great pleasure in dosing out the humility.

But these Everton players don’t share that kind of personality. They’re victims. Losers. After Curtis Jones had scored the game’s only goal, there was no determination to respond, just petulance – from Fabian Delph and Yerry Mina – and self-pity. There wasn’t even the hint of an equaliser, let alone any sense that anybody's pride was being affronted. Instead, they stood back and let Liverpool pass the ball, allowing them a victory lap before full-time. It was unforgivable.



Who knows what Ancelotti made of it. Everton’s new manager is a serial winner, a three-time conqueror of the Champions League alone, and yet here he was, associating with players who cower just at the sight of the wrong-coloured shirt.

If there is any encouragement to draw, though, it’s in how unlikely he is to tolerate this situation. This, ultimately, was not just elimination from the FA Cup, but also a loss which came with subliminal messages. It defeated, for instance, any pretensions Everton may have of rescuing value from their recent recruiting cycles. It also asked questions of the depth of the club’s scouting and the attention which has been paid to personality and the kind of hidden attributes which win football matches when it absolutely matters.

Its greatest value, though, was in laying bare the squad’s deficiencies and showing – conclusively – that Ancelotti can’t be expected to win with this set of players.

The most efficient move at this point, then, must be to recognise that disconnect. Everton must understand that every turn they've taken over the last three years has been in error and that, as a result, they are now absolutely nowhere. They're not a couple of players away or in need of strengthening in just a few positions, but actually at zero - a point of total inferiority in relation to everything they measure themselves against.

They must start again, this time with some substance to their thinking.

Bang on the money. If Ancelotti is to be successful, I am convinced that in three years time hardly any of the current starting XI will still be first choice.

 

[Brisan123]

He doesn’t normally speak to his players after a game!!?? That has to be lost in translation somewhere surely?

I would say under normal circumstances he would only speak to the team i.e post match analysis at the next training session

 

[MrGrumpy]

I would say under normal circumstances he would only speak to the team i.e post match analysis at the next training session

Just watched his interview and he was fuming.. hopefully he unleashed hell on them

 

[Yarrgh]

Yes, exactly.

He couldn't do it, but that would ideally have been the way to go. If we had the LC final to look forward to maybe he would have surrendered the chance to our own youngsters + fringe players.

We have undervalued all opportunities to gain silverware such as the LC. It's just another thing that can be used to highlight the systemic bottling of big occasions that has took hold in our club. I obviously recognize the irony of us just arguing putting out a 'weakened' team in the FA Cup, but it's engrained in us as a fan base that this is also acceptable. Who expects to win stuff? I don't.

Anyway, I for one am glad not to be in Ancelotti's shoes today.

What's that about how do you eat a hippopotamus? One bite at a time. He's got a lot of chewing to get through.

 

[Brisan123]

Just watched his interview and he was fuming.. hopefully he unleashed hell on them

Have you a link to the interview please ?

 

[cronullasharks]

If he can bin a few players off before their contracts are up there's his first big victory

 

[Bob Elstone]

The entire club needs clearing out.

Farhad needs to phone Usmsnov and say we need you today.
Kenwright needs to be sacked off and a real Chairman bought in.
DBB needs shifting off and a real CEO needs bringing in
We need more board members with more skills.
Need a massive clear out of the entire squad..
If Utd want DCL for 50 mil then sell him. If they want Rich for 80 mil sell him

wow - absolutely bang on. Well said that man.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Have you a link to the interview please ?

I saw it on the echo fb page

 

[Brisan123]

Dont do Facebook and I detest the Echo lol

 

[Carlito]

Similar to a post that I made in the Sigurdsson thread, the only option now is for Ancelotti to be ruthless with the parasites that are draining the club's resources.

Sigurdsson, Schneiderlin, Walcott, Tosun and Keane should all be told in no uncertain terms that the jig is up, and they won't be turning out for Everton ever again. The wages they're on are such that their agents will need to be proactive in finding suitors, otherwise they'll carry on enjoying an easy ride while they wait to see off another manager and restart the same cycle that we've seen play out again and again.

They need to be publicly embarrassed.

 

[davek]

Bang on the money. If Ancelotti is to be successful, I am convinced that in three years time hardly any of the current starting XI will still be first choice.

Needs to take out the coaching staff he's going to achieve anything.