MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
You need to start watching Tennis..Footballs not for you
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MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
What ever 11 he picked we would of lost
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
We need to persevere with these cowards. They can get a result against decent opposition, as they showed recently. They just have no bottle for big a game. That;s the reason we need to get shut of them. But we cant just throw kids in when we're bottom half and a fe points from the relegation spots. Maybe after easter if all is secure?
MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
Fantastic post there. Sigi played in br World Cup, beat England in the Euros but soon as he sees Liverpool he shrinks.. he been awful the entire season tho. He should of dominated that midfield and he didn’t
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
They're a freakish minority, and I doubt the credentials of some of them as Evertonians....
We do not need to change the entire team but we do need to change the area which is our biggest problem.... midfield.
I am excluding Tom Davies but including Schneidelin, Sigurdsson and Delph when I say we have zero pace, zero creativity and zero grit or determination.
A new midfield would instantly see players in other areas improve dramatically.
I am excluding Tom Davies but including Schneidelin, Sigurdsson and Delph when I say we have zero pace, zero creativity and zero grit or determination.
A new midfield would instantly see players in other areas improve dramatically.
MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
He doesn’t want to play out the back tho, he kept telling them in this game and City game to move it faster, they just kept passing backwards
granter79
Player Valuation: £35m
agree. it sickens me to think I have to watch some of that shower this weekend again. As you said I can see us getting enough points to get us away from any danger and then some of the young lads may get a look in.
Shows how bad our academy set up is after watching their lot yesterday. All knew their roles and we are more concerned with getting results at that level
MrGrumpy
Player Valuation: £50m
If u play Holgate in midfield it means playing Keane... like being stuck between a rock and a hard place
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Under better circumstances Ild have matched Liverpool up with a mix of U23s and fringe first team players yesterday. The result might have been different - either way.
Sverre Takleifbotten
Player Valuation: £750k
Every average manager had won the league with PSG. He had unlimited funds at his disposal, and the competition in the French series was not very great. Montepellier won the league the year before. Possible CA attracted good players, but the biggest factor was probably the salaries.
I'm not saying that CS is a bad manager, but we have to see his performance in a wider context. What has been successful in one context does not have to be successful in another context. Everton is a whole new challenge for CS, and the conditions here are quite different from previous clubs he has coached.
The context of Ancelotti is completely different from, for example. that Klopp has been used to. The latter has built up good teams with relatively little resources. He has done this because he stands for "system football", where the team is more important than the individual, and at the same time he has been innovative. He has made the teams far better than what the individual qualities would indicate.
Even though we got some money, we can never compete with the biggest teams when it comes to acquiring the best players. The only way we can take up the competition with the biggest clubs is to find our distinctive style, buy players that fit the style of play, and be at the forefront when it comes to strategy and tactics.
Buying expensive star players who couldn't quite make a break in the big clubs, which are around 30, and are relatively often injured, and giving them a big salary, is the sure death for the club in the longer term. That's my biggest fear with Ancelotti, and the owners' thoughts.
everton1953
Player Valuation: £40m
Agree with you entirely but I suppose that is from hindsight now. I would feel better if he had lost with a junior selection.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
From FourFourTwo:
Everton's pitiful display in the Merseyside derby shows the scale of the challenge for Carlo Ancelotti
That’s a very harsh term, but it’s not an unfair one. Particularly because the longer the game remained scoreless, the more obvious it became that Everton would find a way to lose. It was telling, also, that Ancelotti’s veteran players were among the worst on the pitch and appeared to wilt the quickest. Gylfi Sigurdsson, Lucas Digne and Morgan Schneiderlin were all dismal, Theo Walcott was especially awful.
Instead of giving Everton their critical edge, those players – among others – appeared consumed by what a loss to this Liverpool would mean. Given the same opportunity in the same situation, tougher players of their standing would have relished the opportunity to slap that Liverpool team around. Really good footballers – the ones who have all the technical and emotional attributes – have that habit of giving lessons to young pretenders. They enjoy putting coming generations back in their place. They resent their achingly fashionable haircuts and colourful boots and take great pleasure in dosing out the humility.
But these Everton players don’t share that kind of personality. They’re victims. Losers. After Curtis Jones had scored the game’s only goal, there was no determination to respond, just petulance – from Fabian Delph and Yerry Mina – and self-pity. There wasn’t even the hint of an equaliser, let alone any sense that anybody's pride was being affronted. Instead, they stood back and let Liverpool pass the ball, allowing them a victory lap before full-time. It was unforgivable.
Who knows what Ancelotti made of it. Everton’s new manager is a serial winner, a three-time conqueror of the Champions League alone, and yet here he was, associating with players who cower just at the sight of the wrong-coloured shirt.
If there is any encouragement to draw, though, it’s in how unlikely he is to tolerate this situation. This, ultimately, was not just elimination from the FA Cup, but also a loss which came with subliminal messages. It defeated, for instance, any pretensions Everton may have of rescuing value from their recent recruiting cycles. It also asked questions of the depth of the club’s scouting and the attention which has been paid to personality and the kind of hidden attributes which win football matches when it absolutely matters.
Its greatest value, though, was in laying bare the squad’s deficiencies and showing – conclusively – that Ancelotti can’t be expected to win with this set of players.
The most efficient move at this point, then, must be to recognise that disconnect. Everton must understand that every turn they've taken over the last three years has been in error and that, as a result, they are now absolutely nowhere. They're not a couple of players away or in need of strengthening in just a few positions, but actually at zero - a point of total inferiority in relation to everything they measure themselves against.
They must start again, this time with some substance to their thinking.
Everton's pitiful display in the Merseyside derby shows the scale of the challenge for Carlo Ancelotti
That’s a very harsh term, but it’s not an unfair one. Particularly because the longer the game remained scoreless, the more obvious it became that Everton would find a way to lose. It was telling, also, that Ancelotti’s veteran players were among the worst on the pitch and appeared to wilt the quickest. Gylfi Sigurdsson, Lucas Digne and Morgan Schneiderlin were all dismal, Theo Walcott was especially awful.
Instead of giving Everton their critical edge, those players – among others – appeared consumed by what a loss to this Liverpool would mean. Given the same opportunity in the same situation, tougher players of their standing would have relished the opportunity to slap that Liverpool team around. Really good footballers – the ones who have all the technical and emotional attributes – have that habit of giving lessons to young pretenders. They enjoy putting coming generations back in their place. They resent their achingly fashionable haircuts and colourful boots and take great pleasure in dosing out the humility.
But these Everton players don’t share that kind of personality. They’re victims. Losers. After Curtis Jones had scored the game’s only goal, there was no determination to respond, just petulance – from Fabian Delph and Yerry Mina – and self-pity. There wasn’t even the hint of an equaliser, let alone any sense that anybody's pride was being affronted. Instead, they stood back and let Liverpool pass the ball, allowing them a victory lap before full-time. It was unforgivable.
Who knows what Ancelotti made of it. Everton’s new manager is a serial winner, a three-time conqueror of the Champions League alone, and yet here he was, associating with players who cower just at the sight of the wrong-coloured shirt.
If there is any encouragement to draw, though, it’s in how unlikely he is to tolerate this situation. This, ultimately, was not just elimination from the FA Cup, but also a loss which came with subliminal messages. It defeated, for instance, any pretensions Everton may have of rescuing value from their recent recruiting cycles. It also asked questions of the depth of the club’s scouting and the attention which has been paid to personality and the kind of hidden attributes which win football matches when it absolutely matters.
Its greatest value, though, was in laying bare the squad’s deficiencies and showing – conclusively – that Ancelotti can’t be expected to win with this set of players.
The most efficient move at this point, then, must be to recognise that disconnect. Everton must understand that every turn they've taken over the last three years has been in error and that, as a result, they are now absolutely nowhere. They're not a couple of players away or in need of strengthening in just a few positions, but actually at zero - a point of total inferiority in relation to everything they measure themselves against.
They must start again, this time with some substance to their thinking.
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