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2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

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LocalNative said:
On the flipside, imagine how toxic Goodison would be during these home games? It's extremely hard to defend that home form. Yes the players aren't world beaters but they're much better than Palace, Fulham, Burnley and Newcastle.
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I agree, our squad is better than Palace, Fulham, Burnley and Newcastle but the players in those teams make up for the gaps in their ability by working hard, you certainly couldn’t accuse the majority of our lot of working hard.
If they put as much effort into playing as they do into coming up with the garbage they spout after successive disappointments we may have a chance of top 6.
 
Europe would be a disaster for us, would give us no chance at doing anything worthwhile next season. I'm afraid it's just another 'building' season coming up.
 
Lanolin said:
This is all based on a conveniently false premise. Points totals are relative to the season they are achieved in and nothing else. I've used the example before that if you replaced two teams from the PL with 2 teams from the Northern Conference we could theoretically get 12 more points, but we would be the exact same side. You're judged on where you finish the table, and then on the quality of football you play. The amount of points really isn't indicative of anything in a relative sense.
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I'll fell like I've made a reasonable case that performances, competitiveness and total points have improved this season compared to recent seasons. But here's another way of looking at it:

2019/20 after 29 games 37pts in 12th position & 6 points off 7th (assuming this is final Europa place)

2018/19 after 29 games 37pts in 10th position & 6 points off 7th (assuming this is final Europa place)

2017/18 after 29 games 34pts in 11th position & 6 points off 7th (assuming this is final Europa place)

In comparison with:

2020/21 after 29 games 47pts in 8th position & 2 points off 7th with a game in hand

Can you see the improvements this season compared to the previous 3. That improvement is reflected in position, points total and competitiveness (i.e. closeness to team in potential European qualification places).

Now to me that seems a pretty strong case and why I suggested it's people throwing their dummies out after any poor result. The challenge for any Everton manager is huge. Mainly because we've been a very poorly run club at every level on and off the pitch for a long time. No matter who the manager is and how much money you give him it's going to take time to turn around.

That doesn't absolve the manager from criticism or scrutiny. However, it has to be at least grounded in some sort of truth rather than what looks like a tantrum from a stroppy teenager. Too many fans want to wave a magic wand and for everything to be fixed. It doesn't work like that. Our absolute ceiling in the next 2-3 seasons is challenging for Top 4. That's if everything goes to plan and the squad and club is built well in that period. As it stands now it needs to be a club moving in the right direction, even if that direction of travel is slower than some wanted or hoped. It's hard to argue we aren't going in the right direction. My biggest concern is that some fans are too impatient to realise this.
 
kev101 said:
Europe would be a disaster for us, would give us no chance at doing anything worthwhile next season. I'm afraid it's just another 'building' season coming up.
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I can get my head round some building to get something serious going for the final season at Goodison and to really have something good ready for BMD.
Ive waited long enough, I can wait a bit longer..
 

kev101 said:
Europe would be a disaster for us, would give us no chance at doing anything worthwhile next season. I'm afraid it's just another 'building' season coming up.
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For me missing Europe would not be good considering were we have been, I look at it as get in Europe and buy the players we are supposedly going to be buying and use them for the euro run/new season, I dont get this thing were people want us to miss out on euro place to then hopefully buy better players to hopefully get the euro place and do better next season, we have not had a better chance than now for a long time of getting Euro place/ and been as close to the top 4 as we are-Miss out will have many moaning even more than they are or are going to
 
kev101 said:
Europe would be a disaster for us, would give us no chance at doing anything worthwhile next season. I'm afraid it's just another 'building' season coming up.
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It could help attract players and even Europa League could add 20-30M into the coffers if progress to the KO rounds occurs.

It's also a potential bargaining tool for attracting potential signings or convincing existing players to sign new contracts (or stay).

There's a risk that the extra games cause a drop off in the league but at least you can account for that. Also next season will be less truncated to this so this season has been a good test since in it's (and I'm guessing a bit here) schedule and rest days between games are probably more akin to a normal European campaign containing season than a normal domestic campaign
 

ArtetaMoney said:
Did we get relegated last night?
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Not even from the Champions League. We'd have to go on a serious tear to get there, which doesn't seem likely the way we played, but it remains within reach unless someone in front of us also wins out.

The frustration has to do with how we're playing and who we're playing that way against. Since the start of the season, we just haven't been good enough against the bottom feeders and all of the good work against the top half is at risk of going to waste.
 
Jamalio Danubio DiCanio said:
It could help attract players and even Europa League could add 20-30M into the coffers if progress to the KO rounds occurs.

It's also a potential bargaining tool for attracting potential signings or convincing existing players to sign new contracts (or stay).

There's a risk that the extra games cause a drop off in the league but at least you can account for that. Also next season will be less truncated to this so this season has been a good test since in it's (and I'm guessing a bit here) schedule and rest days between games are probably more akin to a normal European campaign containing season than a normal domestic campaign
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£20-£30m is peanuts.

No ones joining us to play some jarg Greek side in the Europa.

There’s a World Cup coming up and next seasons going to be a mess as well.
 

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