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2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

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ToffeeTim said:
Maybe, just maybe, managers haven't been our main problem over the last 25 years.

My opinion is that if Ancelotti can't turn us around then there is no manager we could attract who can. We would need to have 3 full seasons under Ancelotti with little or no progression before sack shouts have any credibility.
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Quite.
He has had one summer window and it was good, but the squad overall is poor and still needs a lot of work.
 
Toast said:
Having had a quick skeg at some old posts, I can see what your idea of a good manager is.
I think I will leave you to this mate..



“I'd rather take the risk on a unproven but promising manager like we did with Silva, Martinez and Moyes than go for the likes of Allardyce.

Eddie Howe looks the obvious candidate in the Premier League. Though I do wonder about David Wagner. The job he did at Huddersfield was brilliant despite them looking like relegation certainties at the moment.

Outside of the Premier League then Farke at Norwich is doing a very good job. In the Bundesliga I'd say Adits Hutter is doing a good job after winning a league previously with BSC Young Boys. Not sure there's anyone in Ligue 1 worth looking at. Quique Setien at Real Betis is an intriguing manager. Though at 60 it's probably not the right time for him to join the Premier League”
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Fair enough and not sure when I wrote this post.

But Howe is still a promising manager. Took a team from League Two to the PL and kept them there for a few seasons. Still think he can do a job a Premier league level

The wheels fell off for Wagner at Huddersfield and then at Schalke.

Daniel Farke is doing a good job at Norwich given the funding. Probably going to have won the Championship twice in 3 seasons. Maybe not our level of ambition but shows promise as a manager.

Adi Hutten has got Eintract Frankfurt 4th in the Bundesliga and on course for CL qualification after only losing 3 games so far.

Quique Seiten was an intriguing proposition at that time. Intriguing enough to get one of the biggest jobs in World football.

Got to remember that this post was in reaction to Fat Sam being manager and a bit of scattergun approach of saying there's some interesting younger candidates out there who might have been better placed to get the job. In that context I don't think it's the worst post in the World looking ~2 years on.

On the other hand you suggesting a World Cup will make next season a mess will always be factually incorrect. You suggesting 20-30M is peanuts is probably incorrect. And you suggesting the Europa League is just some knock about with lads from Greece is a bit disparaging on the Europa League, and chumps like us who aren't even good enough to qualify most seasons.
 
Toast said:
Having had a quick skeg at some old posts, I can see what your idea of a good manager is.
I think I will leave you to this mate..



“I'd rather take the risk on a unproven but promising manager like we did with Silva, Martinez and Moyes than go for the likes of Allardyce.

Eddie Howe looks the obvious candidate in the Premier League. Though I do wonder about David Wagner. The job he did at Huddersfield was brilliant despite them looking like relegation certainties at the moment.

Outside of the Premier League then Farke at Norwich is doing a very good job. In the Bundesliga I'd say Adits Hutter is doing a good job after winning a league previously with BSC Young Boys. Not sure there's anyone in Ligue 1 worth looking at. Quique Setien at Real Betis is an intriguing manager. Though at 60 it's probably not the right time for him to join the Premier League”
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Interesting that you limit who can see your previous posts but you aren't adverse scouring through other people's old post when they've add you off on a current topic.

What have you said a year, 2 years ago or older that you are so scared of anyone seeing now? Open up your posts for everyone so we can all take a look at what you've said previously.
 

Lanolin said:
Have to admit i'm genuinely surprised that some people don't seem to think a run of 11 points from 12 home games is all that concerning. Don't know if it's not being able to go or if it's just because of Ancelotti's past achievements, but I feel like previous managers would have been getting a hell of a lot more flak for that record.
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I guess it's more why are so many people moaning about last night's result when it was down to our strikers not being able to shoot not Ancelotti's managerial performance.
 

Lanolin said:
Have to admit i'm genuinely surprised that some people don't seem to think a run of 11 points from 12 home games is all that concerning. Don't know if it's not being able to go or if it's just because of Ancelotti's past achievements, but I feel like previous managers would have been getting a hell of a lot more flak for that record.
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Yes it's poor very poor I'm surprised we can't control games and we do try and protect leads rather than extend them. But there are reasons our squad is weak if we are honest and there is no home crowd that is a big factor has to be hard to compare his record to other managers without a home crowd behind us. I do think his substitutions are often too negative mind.
 
Lanolin said:
I understand the point you're making, I just don't necessarily agree. We'll see at the end of the season, but right now I feel like we're going backwards (this season, not in general). Right at this moment I struggle to see us holding on to 8th, we just don't look capable of winning games, particularly at home. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact we were 2nd at Christmas. The start of the season was brilliant, but our form has been poor for a long, long time now. Obviously things can change, but if things carry on as they are I doubt we'll be much closer to 7th than we were over those seasons. There were a lot of questions about Silva in his first season and I'd be surprised if we blow that points total out of the water. 57/58 points compared to 54 is hardly earth shattering improvement, and people make out like Silva was utterly incompetent. On that basis I find it hard to argue that finishing in the same position with a couple more points - and an older team - is evidence of clear progress.

Our football has undoubtedly been worse than in Silva's first season for me, I don't even think it's close. There were some bad times that season, but when we were good we were really good, and I felt like I knew what we were trying to do. I've said before, I don't think our transfer business backs up the idea that this is a long term plan. We bought players to improve us in the short term. It was a gamble, and at the moment, it doesn't appear to be paying off. If we'd signed a load of under 25s then I'd be right behind you saying give it time, but we didn't. We've signed players who won't be helping us improve in 2-3 years, so if they don't kick us on in the short term it just hasn't worked. That doesn't mean we need to sack the manager or whatever, but personally I just don't see this definite improvement.
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We signed three players who are for the now this summer and most of them have had long periods out. The rest of the squad is still a hotpotch. I have criticisms of the manager but I am still in the entire club/squad has issues camp and at least we have made some progress. It will take much longer to turn around. What frustrates me is our complete inability to take opportunities we have a squad of weak mentalities still...
 
Nymzee said:
I guess it's more why are so many people moaning about last night's result when it was down to our strikers not being able to shoot not Ancelotti's managerial performance.
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I can get that if you look at every game in isolation. To me last night was just a continuation of the same poor form we've shown at home for 5 month (longer if you go back to last season) so it would be a bit weird to do that. I also don't really agree that it had nothing to do with Ancelotti. I thought the subs - and accompanying tactics - were truly, staggeringly, awful, and contributed massively to them equalising.
 
Lanolin said:
I can get that if you look at every game in isolation. To me last night was just a continuation of the same poor form we've shown at home for 5 month (longer if you go back to last season) so it would be a bit weird to do that. I also don't really agree that it had nothing to do with Ancelotti. I thought the subs - and accompanying tactics - were truly, staggeringly, awful, and contributed massively to them equalising.
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But the game should have been 4 or 5 nil by the time the equalised. James asked to come off so unavoidable, only one I questioned was Coleman for Godfrey who had a shocker at RB when he came on, but I don't know if Coleman had a knock or was tactical. We dominated for 80 mins.
 

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