GwladysBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
Fair enough.
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The binman chronicles
Player Valuation: £80m
These players are significantly better than the ones we have. Even if they see us as a retirement home we'll still be much better than without.
I severely doubt we'd have finished 7th without. A year longer of Sigurdsson at 10, I doubt we would have seen the vast improvement of DCL either. One thing having Silva say you are good enough and completely another having Carlo say that.
There are loads of factors in why we are a bit limp, starting with the injuries, the target on our backs after the derby and I also think the lack of crowds has gotten to us more than most. Let's see what happens next season and if we haven't improved I'll be with you. Compared to last season we have, least we are still in with a chance. Hopefully we're not too far away with 1 or 2 decent buys and a bit more luck.
JobForTheMoyes
Player Valuation: £40m
Carlo has been on the slide for years. He is still a top manager, but I question how motivated he can be. It might not even be a conscious thing, but he has never really been a builder.
Alarm bells were ringing after Bayern and Napoli for me, but we have picked him, and have to give him time to forge his team.
Alarm bells were ringing after Bayern and Napoli for me, but we have picked him, and have to give him time to forge his team.
Same, I didn't give Allardyce a chance, didn't want him here, couldn't wait for him to go.
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Who are they?
Sincere answer (though it's not me you asked
)I'd give 3 seasons to a manager so long as they don't look like they've lost the plot or were clearly in tailspin the way Koeman and Silva were and arguably the way Martinez had gone though he was already in his 3rd season when punted (I think).
Ancelotti clearly doesn't have the side playing in the way any of us would like but there were glimpses of it early in the season. It's no coincidence that such displays dropped off as injuries mounted and there isn't the depth there to make changes when players are out of form or just having a bad game. Those things can tip the balance of a season by pushing the fine margins in a teams favour.
The Palace game is an example of that. If there was genuine attacking talent to come on for Richarlison or DCL who were having bad games and getting increasingly frustrated or even a good attacking midfielder to come on for Rodriguez and continue stretching the game then it's quite possibly a very comfortable win rather than the draw.
It takes a manager time to get the balance right - more so when he's saddled with the remnants of 2 or 3 different managers trying to do different things.
It's also worth noting that this has been a very disrupted season and you can look across the league and see any number of teams putting in flat performances against weaker sides. It's not the sole reason or an absolute excuse but there is a trend of it right across the league apart from perhaps City who have a squad of incredible depth put together by a manager who's had 5 years to do so building on the back of a squad that had won 2 of the previous 4 titles before his arrival.
Blue Neon
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Agree to much of your analysis. But two points to raise - To have TWO "strikers " off the bench on a par or better than DCL and Richy would cost mega money. Point 2. - Pep walked in to a lot better squad than Carlo did and the promise of ready money to burn.Sincere answer (though it's not me you asked
I'd give 3 seasons to a manager so long as they don't look like they've lost the plot or were clearly in tailspin the way Koeman and Silva were and arguably the way Martinez had gone though he was already in his 3rd season when punted (I think).
Ancelotti clearly doesn't have the side playing in the way any of us would like but there were glimpses of it early in the season. It's no coincidence that such displays dropped off as injuries mounted and there isn't the depth there to make changes when players are out of form or just having a bad game. Those things can tip the balance of a season by pushing the fine margins in a teams favour.
The Palace game is an example of that. If there was genuine attacking talent to come on for Richarlison or DCL who were having bad games and getting increasingly frustrated or even a good attacking midfielder to come on for Rodriguez and continue stretching the game then it's quite possibly a very comfortable win rather than the draw.
It takes a manager time to get the balance right - more so when he's saddled with the remnants of 2 or 3 different managers trying to do different things.
It's also worth noting that this has been a very disrupted season and you can look across the league and see any number of teams putting in flat performances against weaker sides. It's not the sole reason or an absolute excuse but there is a trend of it right across the league apart from perhaps City who have a squad of incredible depth put together by a manager who's had 5 years to do so building on the back of a squad that had won 2 of the previous 4 titles before his arrival.
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Been the closest we have been at this stage of the season to the champions league in 16 years.
YOU MENTALISTS
And its only bloody Carlo Ancelotti in charge. One the best managers in the world.
Ridicule has justifiably been pelted your way. Long may it continue.
YOU MENTALISTS
And its only bloody Carlo Ancelotti in charge. One the best managers in the world.
Ridicule has justifiably been pelted your way. Long may it continue.
Death
I'll take down dat coal powered MG, I tel u Hwat
Been the closest we have been at this stage of the season the champions league in 15 years.
YOU MENTALISTS
And its only bloody Carlo Ancelotti in charge. One the best managers in the world.
Ridicule has justifiably been belted your way. Long may it continue.
YOU MENTALISTS
And its only bloody Carlo Ancelotti in charge. One the best managers in the world.
Ridicule has justifiably been belted your way. Long may it continue.
Now I see why the cookie and hot chocolate offer got me the finger lol
All conjecture, none of us know,
Vic Vinegar
Player Valuation: £750k
The style of play is very poor and the home form is concerning but he’s undoubtedly improved us.
It will be interesting to see what he can do with another transfer window.
It will be interesting to see what he can do with another transfer window.
Bringing through youth and developing the academy takes years to show results. There has been a lot of changes made to the academy structure and scouting network at all age levels and in all territories in the last couple of years.
But here lies the problem - such changes LITERALLY TAKE YEARS to show the rewards. That's how youth works, it's an investment in the future and not in the present. Putting money, time and effort into an academy does nothing to change the here and now of the first team. We ARE bringing through youth, we ARE developing the academy and we ARE revising scouting and club networks all over the world to help be shrewd in the market. But you won't see that this season.
If, while waiting for that process to bear fruit, we get by with a vastly experienced highly decorated manager aiming to get us into Europe and instilling a change in mentality then that will do for me. A season where it's not all happening beautifully is not unusual. You can look throughout football history to see that's nothing unusual. You can even narrow that look right down to just one club in Walton and the most successful period in their history to see the unsteady non-linear trajectory of progress.
Over the last couple of years the average age of the first team has come down, the value of the squad has gone up and wages are being trimmed every year in order to do all the things defined as savvy and forward thinking. It's a drastic reshaping of the bloated mess left behind by Koeman and Walsh.
People cry and moan about the right thing being to develop youth and be savvy in the markets but then cry and moan again when it doesn't show results in an instant. Seasons don't pass over at the speed of a FIFA game and scouts or youth academies don't produce players at the click of a mouse button in Football Manager.
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