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2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

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arch stanton said:
Are people really talking about removing Ancelotti?? We are still in a good position for euro slots, (even not mathematically out of the race for CL) with five games to go, with a lot of a dross side he inherited. What short memories we have, Fat Sam anyone?
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Fat Sam took an even worse side and had similar results. Ancelotti hasn’t significantly improved us as a team if people are being honest. (I don’t want him out)

And don’t embarrass yourself talking about the top 4, we are light years away from Chelsea in every regard.
 
BlueToff said:
But the thing is mate, we didn't play really well against Arsenal, did we.

In fact, we all pretty much came away saying well, that was a crap performance but we got the luck that we didn't in the previous games.

We played half-decent v Palace and well v Spurs. Spurs is the only home game we've seemed to have balance in lately and it's no surprise that it's because we had a relatively solid two in midfield and our full-backs pushed high. We conceded v Spurs because of defensive mistakes, and their other chances came from set-pieces.
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It helped that Spurs were absolutely phoning that performance in as well.
 
the sniderman said:
it is v pleasant to see absence of piss in thread past few pages. good points all sides and in friendly adult manner.
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No. There needs to be a purge of all the armchair tactical experts who think they'd win the league with this squad. We've spent so much energy rooting out Trump dweebs and kopites last year, we forgot about the enemy that lies within
 
No-one in the game can rescue Everton from its own black hole of impossible weighty self-parody: the club is a joke. Oh yes, we do great statements about other clubs' greed...and we put on a great Blue Chrimbo...but bottom line?...Everton is a royal blue bottle job. And that's ok for the many of us who have much more meaningful things in our lives than football. But for those Evertonians that don't?...I have got bad news for you.
 
MACCA75 said:
It helped that Spurs were absolutely phoning that performance in as well.
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Oh aye they were crap, so yeah not trying to use it as some evidence we were ace. But we pressed, created chances.

It helped having James, but it also helped that our team was 5/10 yards further up the pitch, meaning Sigurdsson, James etc, weren't running in midfield, they were in the final third.
 

MACCA75 said:
Fat Sam took an even worse side and had similar results. Ancelotti hasn’t significantly improved us as a team if people are being honest. (I don’t want him out)

And don’t embarrass yourself talking about the top 4, we are light years away from Chelsea in every regard.
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so aren't we mathematically still in the race for the CL spots? ~If I thought we would get in there I would have worded it so, Chelsea, City and United are all currently much better than us. We aren't good enough for the CL but the maths doesn't lie, we are still mathematically in it. Compare to the season Fat Sam came in, we were talking about the maths about going down.
 

I think we’re at a tipping point. We’ve seen signs this season (in my view) of improvement. James Doucoure Allan Godfrey are some of our best players and they all arrived in the summer window. When everyone is fit Carlo has shown he would leave out Davies Siggurdson Iwobi and probably Keane from any starting 11.

We can either continue with Ancelotti, buy more players in the summer who are good, get rid of yet more players who are not good enough, and continue to improve, or we can throw the baby out with the bath water, get rid of him, bring in a manager probably far inferior to him given who we could attract, a manager who couldn’t attract the players we might need and want, and we start this process right back at square one.

We need more good players, and for those players to stay fit. We need a squad that doesn’t include some of the worst players in our premier league history who have seen three managers fired, let alone these players getting into the first team every week because of a lack of options.

When Martinez started in 13/14 and the squad we had, no midfielders apart from Allan and Docuoure would have made that squad. Godfrey might have made the squad as 4th choice CB, Digne as back up left back. DCL and Richarlison would be in there but wouldn’t be first team. James would play.

That was a team that came 5th in the league (in a poor season) and we can make a case for one or two outfield players out of our squad now getting into the 11, and maybe only 6 or 7 making the squad. Quite simply Coleman Stones Distin Jags Baines Barry McCarthy Barkley Pienaar Mirallas Lukaku were far far better than most of the options we have now. They came 5th and were out of both cups early, yet we now expect Carlo to take a far worse group of players and do better.

From 13/14 to the end of 17/18 the squad was driven from a top 6 squad to a bottom half one. That took 5 seasons of decline at a gradual rate. If the same is true the other way, we might be a top 6 squad again in two seasons time if w sleep gradually improving m . Of course I want it to be quicker, it has to be quicker, but I think people severely underestimate the job that has to be done here. FFP has ensured there’s no miracle cure for us. We can’t get a new manager in and within one window it’s all great again and he’s got us in the top 4 and challenging for trophies. Maybe if he had a squad like Chelsea’s of top players, but not when Seamus Coleman is your only right back. It will take time, year on year improvement. There’s no other option though. Those who want to get Brands or Ancelotti out still have to explain how a new combo gets round the problem of:

In 17/18 We were left with a squad of rotten rank players, all on huge contracts. FFP means we can’t buy many new players each window unless we make a player trading profit. We can’t make a trading profit on nearly all of them because selling them crystallises a loss. Therefore we can make few cheap purchases and wait for contracts to run out. So we have to attract better players despite having no European football and not being able to pay loads.

Despite all those massive challenges though we’ve actually worked through them, taken the years of pain to the point where the FFP problem may just be starting to loosen with several players going to run off the end of contracts. The squad has gradually been improving, and we have a manager who can attract the names to make us improve. But some want to throw it out the window to see whether Ralf Rangnik could beat Newcastle at home.
 
In 2018/19 we finished 16 points from Europe. 17 points from 4th
In 2019/20 we finished 13 points from Europe. 17 points from 4th.

We're currently 3 points from Europe. 9 points (+ game in hand) from 4th.

As much as we can lament the clear missed opportunities, and fume at the pitiful attitude of players (as Ancelotti has after Newcastle, West Ham, Villa) and woeful home - let's try and look at the bigger picture.

This team isn't good enough. There's no depth - if there's an injury, or we need something extra - we have Iwobi, Delph, Bernard, King and co.

Take this example;



Ancelotti spotted the obvious, we had no midfield. His first window, he brought in Doucoure, Allan, Rodriguez and Godfrey.

Unfortunately, Allan had a lengthy spell out and isn't back to 100%, Doucoure's missing a key period and Rodriguez is the very definition of a luxury player.

Last night we had 2 Ancelotti signings on the pitch;

Everton: Pickford (8), Coleman (7), Digne (6), Godfrey (6), Holgate (5), Allan (7), Gomes (5), Sigurdsson (6), Iwobi (5), Richarlison (5), Calvert-Lewin (7).

Subs: Delph (5), King (n/a), Bernard (n/a).

Subs: Delph, King and Bernard says it all.

Rodriguez gets a knock, who do we have to turn to? Iwobi!

Ancelotti needs time, when more than half the team are 'his' players, then you can judge. His credentials in the game should see the fanbase afford him that time without pissing the bed so quickly.

There's been a lot of positives this season too;

Calvert-Lewin's improvement.
The season having some purpose towards it's conclusion.
First win at Arsenal since 1996.
First win at Liverpool since 1999.
First win at Spurs since 2008.

Sure, we can be frustrated and disappointed but let's not be nob-heads - let's not fall into the trap of allowing these players to hide behind the manager. One of the most successful managers in world football, having won 20 trophies including league titles in four different countries and the Champions League three times.

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BlueToff said:
But the thing is mate, we didn't play really well against Arsenal, did we.

In fact, we all pretty much came away saying well, that was a crap performance but we got the luck that we didn't in the previous games.

We played half-decent v Palace and well v Spurs. Spurs is the only home game we've seemed to have balance in lately and it's no surprise that it's because we had a relatively solid two in midfield and our full-backs pushed high. We conceded v Spurs because of defensive mistakes, and their other chances came from set-pieces.
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Yes. Agree with that to a point. But overall you're talking our last 3 to 4 games having inconsistencies, whether it's injuries, mistakes, or not taking chances rather than it being woeful from start to finish. Which is the point really.

The team is proper Jenga. Take one part out, it falls apart
 
GrandOldTeam said:
In 2018/19 we finished 16 points from Europe. 17 points from 4th
In 2019/20 we finished 13 points from Europe. 17 points from 4th.

We're currently 3 points from Europe. 9 points (+ game in hand) from 4th.

As much as we can lament the clear missed opportunities, and fume at the pitiful attitude of players (as Ancelotti has after Newcastle, West Ham, Villa) and woeful home - let's try and look at the bigger picture.

This team isn't good enough. There's no depth - if there's an injury, or we need something extra - we have Iwobi, Delph, Bernard, King and co.

Take this example;



Ancelotti spotted the obvious, we had no midfield. His first window, he brought in Doucoure, Allan, Rodriguez and Godfrey.

Unfortunately, Allan had a lengthy spell out and isn't back to 100%, Doucoure's missing a key period and Rodriguez is the very definition of a luxury player.

Last night we had 2 Ancelotti signings on the pitch;

Everton: Pickford (8), Coleman (7), Digne (6), Godfrey (6), Holgate (5), Allan (7), Gomes (5), Sigurdsson (6), Iwobi (5), Richarlison (5), Calvert-Lewin (7).

Subs: Delph (5), King (n/a), Bernard (n/a).

Subs: Delph, King and Bernard says it all.

Rodriguez gets a knock, who do we have to turn to? Iwobi!

Ancelotti needs time, when more than half the team are 'his' players, then you can judge. His credentials in the game should see the fanbase afford him that time without pissing the bed so quickly.

There's been a lot of positives this season too;

Calvert-Lewin's improvement.
The season having some purpose towards it's conclusion.
First win at Arsenal since 1996.
First win at Liverpool since 1999.
First win at Spurs since 2008.

Sure, we can be frustrated and disappointed but let's not be nob-heads - let's not fall into the trap of allowing these players to hide behind the manager. One of the most successful managers in world football, having won 20 trophies including league titles in four different countries and the Champions League three times.

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